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“There is no such thing as the caste system anymore”

June 11, 2008

In April last year, Avinash Dutt and I had interviewed the political scientist Christophe Jaffrelot. We walked around Lodhi Gardens, tape recorder in hand, and I ended up transcribing more than five thousand words that night. Tehelka had published a shorter, edited version. Here’s the full thing.

I was reminded of this interview after encountering the argument here that there should be, and is, a Dalit-Brahmin alliance against the already much-demonised OBCs. I thought that this way of seeing the BSP’s victory in the Uttar Pradesh elections was not only incorrect, but also seemed to be in need of the argument that Jaffrelot makes in this interview: that seeing caste as a ‘system’ is outmoded, at least as far as electoral politics is concerned.

1- Shivam: Which is more important for the average Indian, religion or caste?

It is sometimes not only those two but much more. The leftist approach would consist of highlighting class as the main criterion in defining what is the man in the street. But we have learnt to know that there are many ascriptive identities and religion and caste are amongst the most important ones, especially in politics when you have to understand how people vote.

2: Shivam: But between caste and religion, what becomes more important for the average voter?


It depends on the context. In 1991, after Mandal, caste was very important, which is why the BSP and the SP could join hands: the anti-reservationists were so strong that the pro-reservationists had to join hands. Then things changed when Advani’s Rath Yatra re-highlighted Hindu identity and in some places, including UP, it worked. To be anti-Muslim came first. So there is no definite answer.

3: Shivam: In that sense has caste played a positive role by preventing a homogenised Hindu identity from taking shape?


That is one thing. Another is that caste politics gives the plebeians a block of solidarity and such numbers of people in that case work together and behave in such a way that it enables low caste parties to win many more seats and obliges mainstream parties to give tickets to OBCs. In that sense the caste-ification of Indian politics has been a factor of the democratisation of Indian politics. This is a paradoxical development, but without caste politics you would still have the old clientelistic vertical alignement à la the “Congress system” of the 1950s-1960s – and you would not have so many OBC Chief Ministers, MPs and MLAs.

4: Shivam: Yet what do you make of the BJP’s and the Parivar’s relationship with the OBC leaders and masses?


They have been forced to give tickets to these people but they have not given up the idea of transforming them into good, Sanskritised Hindus. In the case of Kalyan Singh it worked pretty well, as also Uma Bharti and Vinay Katiyar. All these people are OBCs with strong Hindutva leanings. So it does not mean they have given up their ideology. Also, the BJP might have given tickets to attract voters, but no responsibility in the party apparatus.

5: Shivam: So in the long term the idea is to bring all castes into the Hindu fold.


I do not think it can work that way because the heydays of Sanskritisation are over. On the contrary, caste politics is probably the most effective antidote to the Hindutva. Who are the main rivals of the BJP in UP? The SP and the BSP. There will be tensions between caste politics and Hindutva politics for quite sometime – at least in UP where, therefore, the Congress (a catch all party by vocation) and the Communists (who are class oriented) are marginalised.

6: Avinash: These tensions already seem to be hitting the glass ceiling for Uma Bharti, Babulal Marandi… Kalyan Singh is a pale shadow of himself; Shivraj Singh Chauhan is inferior to Vasundhra Raje Scindia who is a Thakur. The entire upper leadership is still strictly upper caste.

Indeed, the BJP has not promoted the OBC leaders in the party apparatus and at the government level at the centre. If you look at the places where the OBCs are in the BJP universe, they are more at the state level as MLAs or in the state governments but not at the top of the party apparatus and not in the important ministries when they were in power at the centre. This is clearly a disjunction reflecting a mindset. It’s also because the RSS movement is still imbued with an upper caste, mostly Brahminical ethos. If you look at the RSS pracharaks running the show, most of them are Brahmins. They are not ready to promote low caste people at that level. It’s remarkable that there has not been any non-Brahmin at the helm of the RSS except Rajendra Singh – a Rajput. That tells a lot. 80 years of a movement with always the same social profile and ethos.

7: Avinash: Inside the BJP office in Delhi have you noticed that the Brahmin and upper caste general secretaries have good cushy rooms and the general secretaries who are dalit or OBC have corner rooms.

May be it is a co-incidence. Even if you don’t go into these details, obviously the mainstream ethos and dominant values remain the same. And they try hard to perpetuate these. Hence the importance attributed to the inculcation of samskars. By that they mean the building of good characters which are imbued with the values of the upper castes. Either you revere and emulate them and forget your Dalit/OBC identity or you remain below. These samskars refer to a Brahminical value system and ethos but it translates also in a whole body language. It’s an habitus to use one of the key words of Pierre Bourdieu’s sociology.

8: Avinash: Do you see any friction coming up…

The friction comes when OBC leaders of the BJP try to appoint “too” many people from their fold in the government. When Kalyan Singh did it, an upper caste lobby emerged with Mishra and Lalji Tandon joining hands to remove him. But the party soon realised that it needed Kalyan Singh because he was the one who could corner the OBC votes. This reflects a potential tension between two sections of the party, but it’s not as if Kalyan Singh introduced a new ethos – his ethos is the same.

9: Avinash: While researching for your Hindutva book, how open did you find the BJP and Parivar leaders to be? Did being foreigner help?

It did, because I was an outsider; I was not on their radar screen. Also I was very young and they wanted to educate me. It enabled me to apply the two methods I value most in social sciences, participatory observation and non-directive interviews.

10: Shivam: What do you make of the current controversy on OBC reservations?

If you have reservations in the administration, you need reservations in the university. How do you train the people that are supposed to do the job? For the SCs there were first reservation in the education system and then in the administration. So after giving 27% to OBCs in the administration it is rather logical that they are being given 27% in education. And the fact that the government has committed itself to increase the capacity of the universities by 54% so as not to penalise the upper castes is to my mind a very positive step.

11- Shivam: But despite that a lot of people are protest against the move. There’s been real great anger against reservations.

I think the upper castes should understand that they are going to be affected only in a limited manner and that reservations may help stabilise social relations. By giving some upward mobility to people who may otherwise not get a chance, you defuse a source of resentment which may generate tensions. Secondly, some measures for the poor upper caste people should be decided.

12- Shivam: But then how much reservations will we have, upper caste poor, OBCs, dalits say their population has increased, Muslims, Christians… is there space for the ‘general category’? The criticism is that we are dividing university seats not on the lines of merit but as dictated by “vote-bank politics”.

But this is only for the public sector, which is shrinking. We’re seeing private alternatives emerging.

13: Shivam: But the government is investing another 16,000 crores to increase seats.

So there will be room for everybody.

14: Shivam: One criticism of “Mandal II” has been that the many OBCs are powerful land-owning castes.

That’s why you have the creamy layer clause.

15- Shivam: Which the government does not want to implement.

I think the government should stick by the 1992 Mandal judgement.

16: Shivam: But political parties say if you remove the creamy layer clause, the ones most likely to take advantage of reservations won’t be able to.

You need the creamy layer clause for removing from reservations those who are in a position to support themselves. Those who don’t need the help of the state should not have quotas.

17: Shivam: So then what is the objective of quotas? IS it a poverty alleviation programme?

No it’s not; it cannot be. It is a way to create some elite groups in communities which would be unable to get a voice otherwise. When VP Singh said that Mandal was not a job-oriented scheme but for empowerment, he meant that he was not giving away these resources for poverty alleviation but enabling some representatives of these communities to enter into the corridors of power through the administration. And we know how important this is in this country. It means that there is someone of your group in a position of power. This is important in concrete terms because India is a community-based society and in symbolic terms because it shows that society is not blocked: some upward social mobility is possible.

18: Shivam: You are saying that affirmative action should always result in social mobility.

Yes, some limited social mobility. And this is the way positive discrimination programmes are generally carried out in the rest of the world. They are aimed at creating elite groups among communities which would otherwise not be able to come up. Take the blacks in the United States – it is not as if poverty has disappeared from the black community. But you see black people now at the helm of big firms. Would you have seen any Dalits in India’s high administration without reservations? They would not be there. And what would be the cost of that? 15% of population would be excluded from the country’s administration. The resentful ones might have followed the call of the Dalit Panthers and joined the Naxalites in larger numbers if such a developments had not occurred. Instead, the beneficiaries of the reservations built the RPIs and the BSP, parties which have never resorted to violent methods but played the electoral game.

Your question also connects with the issue of efficiency. It is argued that administrative efficiency is affected because of reservations. I can tell you that sometimes peasants go to the DM with their problems because he is of their group. For an administrator to be trusted by citizens is a matter of efficiency.

19: Shivam: So much of the controversy is over data. Do we need a caste census?

That might be a solution, though we know roughly what the figures are. The Supreme Court is not fair in this. We know the OBCs are between 30 and 50 per cent of the population.

20: Shivam: On the basis of the 1931 census?

Well, also the NSS. You have sample surveys which reconfirm this. At any rate, the OBCs are more than 27%.

21: Shivam: The debates around OBC reservations have remained the same since the time they were first had in the Constituent Assembly. That we have not been able to resolve them over 60 years, what does it say?

It means that equality and social mobility are very difficult to achieve in a society like India. The legitimacy of mobility – the legitimacy of those who are at the lowest level to come up – is very difficult to digest.

22: Shivam: Not just the student protestors but even the sociologist Dipankar Gupta has argued that ‘Other Backward Classes’ has been deliberately misinterpreted as referring to sub-castes because of vote-bank politics. Is there a case for not considering caste when deciding who the OBCs are?

Well, OBCs do not form a block. They are not a class but a collection of castes. You can see this in terms of voting behaviour – Yadavs do not often vote along with Kurmis. You can also see it in terms of disparities: there are many differences between Yadavs and Nais (barbers) for instance. Then the question is: why don’t we disaggregate the OBCs so that we have something more convincing in terms of class. At least OBCs and MBCs should be distinguished. This block, OBCs, is too diverse to be seen in terms of classes.

23: Shivam: But are Jats and Yadavs OBCs?

Well, Jats I agree are not. To include them was a purely political move on the part of the Vajpayee government to bring Rajasthan in the BJP fold. But with Yadavs it is much more complicated. Yadavs have come up now, but in many places they have nothing more than a pair of bullocks. They are not rich and influential people.

24: Shivam: In Uttar Pradesh?

Well, it depends. In eastern UP they are not. And if in Western UP they are to a certain extent, then the creamy layer clause should take care of it. You may be a Yadav but your father has so many acres of land and therefore you cannot be eligible to reservation. This reasoning should be extended to the SCs as well. The Chief Justice of India is a dalit but why should his son benefit from quotas?

25: Shivam: But the argument there is that as it is the Scheduled Caste quota seats are not filled anyway. So if you take the creamy layer away the objective of representation would be hurt.

Do you think these people really represent the “Chamars”? They are often co-opted by the system. They are part of the establishment. If they don’t let room for those who are below, they will just prevent their brethren to come up. There is some vested interest here. Sons of IAS officers should not get reservations. Even if the others to begin with are not of the same calibre, they must be given a chance to catch up – the same way they have been allowed to catch up in the beginning of the reservations.

26: Shivam: So beneficiaries of the reservations become part of the middle class and want to forget caste.

That was the rule of the game for decades – except in the case of Dr Ambedkar. It has changed only recently when personalities like Kanshi Ram remained true to the cause. When you look at what Congress Dalit MPs and ministers had become you realise that they were not strong advocates of their people. But I’m not expressing any value judgement over the middle class dalits who are cut-off from their people because it is very difficult to be in between two worlds. It’s a schizophrenic situation.

There is probably only one way to transcend this: to embrace a new identity. Those who have become Buddhist do not face this problem so acutely. Not only Buddhism does not hark them back to their dalit background and they can share this identity with other dalits who have not arrived.

27: Shivam: But some say that the Buddhist/non-Buddhist divide has only fragmented and divided the dalit movement, Maharashtra being the best example.

I think, rather, that in the end it will be the crucible from which all dalits will find a platform, not only in Maharashtra but also in different parts of India.

28: Shivam: What do you think has gone wrong with the dalit movement in Maharashtra?

In Maharashtra the dalit political leaders have often betrayed ambedkarism for a kursi. The aftermath of the Khairlanji atrocities were very revealing in this regard. RPI leaders did not do anything. Athavale was nowhere in the picture. Dalits – and among them Dalit women – mobilised on their own. Had they not protested no case would have been registered. Now, at least a trial may take place – to give an opportunity to the judiciary to do its job, though most of the evidence has been destroyed by the police. I therefore would not say that the Dalit movement has lost any sense of direction – its political leaders have, but socially and ideologically it is very active and alert.

29: Shivam: You call it democratisation, but caste politics is said to have contributed to the abyss of crime and corruption that UP and Bihar find themselves in.

Yes, but frankly speaking, would the others do it differently? The media, especially India Today, was very quick to highlight the faults of the lower caste politicians. But have the upper caste politicians behaved any differently? Why should the lower caste politicians bear the stigma of the whole political set-up?

30: Shivam: So what happens to development?

You need more investment in villages. You have only 2% growth in the primary sector this year, as compared to 10 or 11% in the secondary sector and 11 or 12% in the third sector. This is not sustainable development. 60% of India lives in the villages and can only contribute 18% of the GDP. There is a problem there. The state should come back and invest in irrigation and implement the land reform that never took place in India. Such changes in rural India are the preconditions to any national development, though industrialisation is naturally another priority.

31: Shivam: You call it India’s Silent Revolution, but many insist caste politics is perpetuating caste and is responsible for unstable coalition governments.

These are two different issues. First of all, to say that politics has institutionalised caste is suggesting that without this kind of politics you would not have caste. That is a big assumption. Caste was there before. This is the basic unit of Indian society.

32: Shivam: But caste politics does depend on stagnant vote-banks and to that extent only deepens caste identity.

Yes, probably. But arranged marriages are also perpetuating caste – why does nobody speak against them? And if caste politics is a useful detour for the emancipation of the subalterns because it enables the lower castes to form larger coalitions and to dislodge elites which monopolise power for centuries, it is a much lesser evil. It indeed permits some transfer of power to the plebeians. So far as the instability of governments is concerned, I don’t think that when it happened it was because of caste politics but rather because of the regionalisation of politics, since parties broke into pieces along regional lines. Look at the JD(U) in Bihar, the NCP in Maharashtra and the JD(S) in Karnataka. But in fact, this system is not so instable because now regional parties are often part of coalitions which are completing the duration of their terms.

33: Shivam: So what is caste politics doing to caste?

It is forcing many sub-castes to join hands and even sometimes to merge. Look at the Kshatriyas in Gujarat. This is a caste that has emerged out of a political process. In the 1950s you had the Rajputs and the Kolis, which were OBCs. They decided to join hands against the Patels in order to fight this dominant caste more effectively. So a new caste has emerged, the Kshatriyas. The second thing that politics does to caste is that it transforms castes into interest groups. The castes are not part of a system anymore. I would argue that there is nothing like the caste system anymore. There used to be one, in which the Brahmins epitomized superior values – for the whole of society – whereas the Dalits were the opposite. Today, at least in city, you have the same people not in a vertical arrangement but in a horizontal line: all castes are in competition for power, jobs, seats in the universities – the public sphere is an arena where they fight. The idea of an all-encompassing social system is gone and this has resulted in some mobility. This has been one of the results of Indian democracy over 60 years.

34: Shivam: In the differences between caste politics in the north and the south, what has been the most interesting?

In the south everything started much earlier but stopped after a while. The anti-Brahmin movement in the south, as also in the west, started in the late 19th or early 20th century. The Brahmins were dislodged by the dominant castes – Marathas, Lingayats, Reddys, Kammas. But then they made no room for the OBCs – except during short periods, like the Devraj Urs years in Karnataka – and they are still in command. In the north things took much more time. In the ‘60s Charan Singh was not in a position to make the Congress understand the need to make room to the kisan in the power structure and he had to leave the party. But when things started to change, they changed much more drastically. In the ‘90s, the OBCs and dalits have largely replaced the erstwhile ruling upper castes in the Hindi belt. So the Brahmins and Rajputs remained in power nearly 50 years more than the south, but the catalyst of Mandal has been a powerful one. Now of course they are trying to come back with the coalition of extremes. A third scenario is the Communist dominated states – where upper castes remain in power!

35: Avinash: So we can say that castes are breaking the discrimination barrier for opportunism. OBC leaders have refused to come out strongly in the reservations imbroglio. They are somewhat silent because they want upper caste votes as well, and OBC is no longer a single, unified vote bank.

True, but if you compare the kind of reactions that these people have today and what reaction they had in the Mandal of 90 you will in any case see a change. I think more and more parties which were reluctant are now accepting caste-based reservations for the OBCs. They can’t alienate 52% of the population. Look at the BJP manifestoes of the BJP over the last 15 years. In ’91 they were for class-based reservations. In ’96 still. In ’98 they started to say let’s implement the quota system as the Supreme Court has allowed it. Now they will not go against any caste-based policies for the OBCs. So they have been convinced in less than 15 years. And they were the hardest nuts to crack. They have realised that they want all the voters, but also that the majority of the voters are OBC and they better go along with the reservations for them instead of opposing at the cost of their voters.

36: Avinash: When all regions have their own parties and so do castes, is there space for national parties?

Well, there is space for national parties which are able to work in coalitions. The Congress for instance cannot go alone anymore. They used to try and think they could. But they realised they could only be the coordinating agency of a coalition. So this is still a useful part that they play. They are national in the sense that they coordinate regional parties. The BJP is doing the same in the NDA. The task of a national party today is to have about 150 seats and be the largest party in the coordination the coalition of 15-18 parties. I would be very surprised if in the near future any party will be in a position to gain an absolute majority on its own.

37: Avinash: That is clear, but do you think national parties are slipping further?

The risk of a split in the BJP is very limited since factionalism is not reaching such proportions in the party, and for the Congress, it is not impossible but the worse period when Madhavrao Scindia, Arjun Singh and N.D. Tiwari were out seems to be over. Many congressmen might have realised that it would be suicidal to get divided that way. National parties, therefore, may roughly remain at their present level. This is good for democracy. Every one is now willing to work in coalitions and make compromises. When Congress enjoyed an absolute majority, this state of things enabled Indira Gandhi’s authoritarian rule in the ‘70s and the ‘80s. She could impose President’s rule in non-Congress states and exert power in a centralised manner because of her majority in parliament. Today the Congress has to discuss give-and-take with the regional bosses which support its government in Parliament.

38: Avinash: So the regionalisation is of a national nature.

Yes, because the game is still national. You have to build national coalitions. So small parties can have a say now. You must give voice to groups and regions which were ignored because you need to take along everyone.

39: Shivam: If we could return to the OBC issue, do you think that post-Mandal reservations and OBC politics at large have hurt dalits?

Mandal, in the end, has made the OBCs more assertive and commanding vis-à-vis the Dalits who are often working in their fields as labourers. But the post-Mandal reservations has not taken anything from the Dalits. The OBCs were really losing ground. If you look at the figures of the bureaucracy you had many more dalits than OBCs there. That was not satisfactory because everybody needs to be represented in this. So something had to be done, to my mind, and I would argue something would have to be done for Muslims in the same way.

40: Shivam: But affirmative action for Muslims might mean that Hindutva may just get another stick to stand on.

Society has to understand that if it doesn’t do anything for the Muslims, if it lets them sink, it will be at the cost of the country at large. It’s not as if positive discrimination means you have to take something from the elite to give it to those who have nothing. The elites will be the first beneficiary of a stabilisation of society.

41: Shivam: How?

Well, because otherwise, the train may well slow down or even derail. I was in Vidarbha a month ago. In this region 1,500 suicides have been committed in one year. This is just one example that if you don’t do anything for these people, why don’t they go the Naxalite way? Why would they play this game that the cities are so happily playing, the game of capitalism. They have to buy the Monsanto seeds for growing their coton now and the State doesn’t buy the crops unless they are of Monsanto seeds. This is the globalisation game that the middle class is very happy to play. Why should the poor play this game? Same with the Muslims. I was in Ahmedabad yesterday. I could see Muslims who are surviving in relief colonies for five years. They have been pushed to the wall. No justice – at least no trial! -, ABL ration card, few voting cards, little compensations, not much water and electricity and far away schools. Why should they not hit back if there is no other alternative? To bring these people back on board, positive discrimination represents a minimum cost for maximum gain.

42: Shivam: How seriously can the Brahmin-BSP alliance be taken?

I think it should be taken seriously, for one good realpolitik reason, that they have one common enemy: the Yadavs and their leader, Mulayam Singh. It makes sense to thus join hands. I would not be surprised if the BSP attracts Brahmin votes where it has Brahmin candidates. If you remember, this was the old recipe of a coalition of extremes that the Congress successfully implemented for a long time. The only difference now is that the upper end of the coalition will be the dalits whereas Brahmins would be the junior partners.

43: Avinash: You have just returned from Gujarat, what did you observe there?

I observed that Narendra Modi has asked Montek Ahluwalia to remove Malika Sarabhai from Doordarshan, and then I could not resist thinking that liberty of expression for those who have a dissenting voice was not respected. And if India is a democracy, as Amartya Sen has claimed, because of the argumentative Indian, you may well need to protect those who argue – and for the right cause at that! I also heard that India’s best-known corporate houses have withdrawn sponsorships to the trust Malika Sarabhai runs because of Narendra Modi. I find it most disturbing. In the multilateral balance of power that the UN has established, there is something called conditionalities. It means “We will help you if governance is more human”. Some conditionalities sometimes bring values back in. Companies who invest in Gujarat can surely exercise such pressure on the Gujarat government. Narendra Modi should know that investors cannot be taken for granted.

44: Shivam: What is the importance of Narendra Modi as a signpost for the Hindutva project in the long-term?

For the first time they have achieved what they have been longing for: to put Muslims in their place by organising some ethnic cleansing and by displacing them out of the cities. In Ahmedabad yhey lived in the heart of the city; now they have been sent at its periphery: they have become the second class citizens the Hindu nationalists have always wanted them to be. Now they are 20 kilometres away in the middle of industrial areas.

Not only that, but the Bajrang Dal has taken the law into its hands in an unprecedented manner. One of their leaders, who have been accused of murders in 2002 by several witnesses but who is still very much active, Babu Bajrangi, “rescues” against their will Hindu girls who have married a Muslim or to a man who do not belong to their caste. He is also very good at intimidating the owners of cinema houses who may want to show films he does not appreciate, like Parzania. So far, the state has had no objection to his activities. Who will restore the rule of law in Gujarat?

45: Shivam: What counter-strategies should civil society organisations devise against the Hindutva project?

First of all they should dispell the stereotypes of the Other. The kind of image of Muslims that you come across amongst the middle class today is amazing. Muslims are depicted as prisoners of the Qu’ran, ill-treating their wives, polygamous, bent to Mecca and basically traitors supporting Pakistan. Some may be of that kind, but most Muslims I have met are trying to get by in difficult times and are deeply attached to India, their country.

47: Shivam: But those running the Hindutva project are educated!

Educated in their own way. The education system in India does not foster critical thinking. You get a very automatic kind of education, hardly society-oriented. Secondly, you need urban planning. There are so many ghettoes. People don’t get to know each other. They don’t know the other because they don’t meet the other.

48: Shivam: But in Gujarat it is said the Muslims in the ghettoes felt safer.

Which is not so right. The place where Babu Bajrangi was leading the mob, Naroda-Patiya, is a Muslim ghetto that they cordoned which permitted them to butcher the people more easily. 80 people from 500 families died. It’s not easy to be protected when you cannot go out of the ghetto. But it is for sure that the Muslims want to live amongst themselves in today’s circumstances.

49: Shivam: Narendra Modi has been trying to say the riots are history, Gujarat is about development and economic growth.

Both things may be true. You can have a ‘shining Gujarat’ and desperate Muslims. The problem is if Muslims become more and more desperate they may contribute to tensions in the state and that may not be good for Gujarat.

50: Shivam: Your forthcoming books?

There is one edited volume on the militia phenomenon in South Asia, an edited volume on the consumption patterns of the middle class in India and China and then a third edited volume on the changing profile of the Indian MLAs in 22 states of India over fifty years.

5 Comments
  1. Aditya Nigam permalink*
    June 11, 2008 12:00 PM

    You know Shivam, much as I respect Christophe’s work, this is all old hat. The point that castes and caste associations had in fact ceased to be parts of a system and function more as ‘paracommunities’ was made by Rudolph and Rudolph in the late 1960s and in different ways by Rajni Kothari and DL Sheth over decades. So this is really nothing earthshakingly new for us staid academics. Things change but never do, it seems…

  2. AKHTER permalink
    June 11, 2008 6:08 PM

    THERE WILL ALWAYS BE THE CASTE SYSTEM!!!!!!

    Caste System is not just Racism, but it is much more Vicious, Venomous, Evil and Cruel; Caste System is Racism, Fascism and Nazism

    It has been frequently written about these days and even the so-called intellectuals and the social scientists in CASTE INDIA keep saying with absolute arrogance that ‘The Caste System cannot be clubbed with Racism because Caste System is not Racism and also this is the “internal problem of India” and therefore the world community cannot and should not discuss the hindu Caste System in “The United Nations Conference Against Racism, Racial Discrimination, Xenophobia and Related Intolerance to be held in Durban, South Africa during August 28 and September 1, 2001″. This only shows how much these so-called hindu intellectuals and social scientists are immersed in the evil teachings of HINDU SATANIC CULT and thus adamantly adhere to the appalling intellectual dishonesty. They are such intellectual prostitutes by their conspiracy of deafening silence always maintain that they are ready and willing to prostitute their so-called intelligence to protect their ill-gotten benefits out of an unique hindu evil and inhuman system of dreadful and grisly Caste System. By maintaining iron-fisted arrogance of upholding this evil Caste System, the venomous manifestation of the barbarous hindu Satanic Cult, these evil hindu creatures want the perpetuation and the continuation of the most heinous and unspeakable vicious crimes, atrocities, and abuses against humanity at any cost. And the most heinous and ferocious practice of untouchability that is being imposed on the desperately innocent citizens of Caste India by the EVIL CASTE SYSTEM of the barbarous hindu Satanic Cult is the daily occurrence in Caste India at free will and at ease.

    The barbarous hindus are so dishonest and mentally corrupt to the core that they are not even willing to go back in time to investigate as to how this evil Caste System came into practice. What is this Caste System? It is nothing but VARNASHRAMA DHARMA! What is Varna? What is the real meaning of this word Varna? VARNA simply means COLOR. Yes, even a child would tell you that COLOR simply means RACE. I am not even going to the origin of this evil Caste System in detail, but one should at least be honest enough to know and accept as decent human beings that the white Aryans from Central Asia, nomadic and barbaric thugs, invaded India (The glorious Indus Valley Civilization) which had been inhabited by the dark-skinned people who migrated from Ethiopia long, long time ago. However, after the victory of the barbarous white aryans over the peace-loving dark-skinned people of India (our glorious ancestors), the barbarous white aryans devised an evil system to keep their white folks away from the native dark and the subjugated masses. This is how the evil VARNA (CASTE) System came to be part of the living hell of India, and thereafter India also tragically became Caste India. To substantiate and permanently sustain this diabolical Caste System, the white aryans invented millions of gods and goddesses, most cruel karma theory, tons of superstitions, dogmas, fear-instilled blind faiths, all in the name of barbarous “brahminism”.

    Later on, the obnoxious brahminism was and still is referred to as “hinduism” (the name given by the invading ignorant Muslims), but really and truly it is actually “Satanic Cult”, thus made the evil Caste System a divinely ordained evil system, and every other ‘cock and bull’ stories to make the subjugated and the original populations of India to believe (nay, brain washed by all the evil forces) and made them to follow those evil stories and to be the willing slaves of the vicious white aryans. This is the reason the evil Caste System is in fact referred to as “Sanctified Racism”. The white aryans also, in the meantime, invented numerous castes and thousands of sub-castes and the evil and unique practice of untouchability with all kinds of filthy ‘purity and pollution’ standards BY BIRTH (if anyone says that the evil Caste System is only designed for people to perform various jobs as per their abilities functional divisions, they cunningly call it -, then the world should ask a simple question to the barbarous hindus: if so, why the unfortunate people in Caste India are stratified and compartmentalized AT BIRTH and BY BIRTH into different graded inequality of thousands of evil castes and sub-castes, the most obnoxious and barbarous system of untouchability and a section of the indigenous people as Untouchables and Outcastes – out side the evil Caste System – the non-caste people and therefore non-hindus! – Can anyone know what a child can do or what its intellectual level is when that child is still in its infancy? But still the barbarous hindu Satanic Cult puts a stamp of an evil caste on that innocent child AT BIRTH itself). The Untouchables are so impure and that a hindu should not touch them and if he/she does, they will get ritually polluted. (Unless it is sexual – an absolute humiliation and open exhibition of total domination and authority over the masses, then there is no Untouchability!). The Untouchables were and still are permanently chained down with supposedly full approval of all the evil hindu gods and goddesses, and with absolutely no hope of this chain of evil slavery ever be broken as long as the hindu Satanic Cult is practiced, dignified and glorified in Caste India. This is the dirty history and also today’s reality of the evil Caste System of the hindu Satanic Cult.

    This evil, most cruel Caste System of the barbarous hindu Satanic Cult is the longest existing evil racism in the history of mankind (over 3,500 years), and no one and no one at all in the world would say a word against this evil Caste System, including those famous human beings, Hon. Nelson Mandela of South Africa and late Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr., of USA who fought against the other racist systems of the world. No attention outside Caste India about this evil Caste System is ever paid because the world is not allowed to hear the cries and screams of 300 plus million Dalits inside and outside the boundaries of Caste India, and the outside world is absolutely blind and refuses to think and analyze the existing facts in Caste India.

    The author wrote two letters to the then President of United States, Mr. Bill Clinton, to raise the Dalits and the evil Caste issues in Caste India when he went to that country for a visit last year. What Bill Clinton actually did in Caste India is a sad reflection of what most every foreigner inside and outside Caste India does. Bill Clinton went to Caste India, wined, dinned and everything else, danced and came back to the United States like a mouthless, brainless and heartless individual without any honest and moral courage. Bill Clinton uttered not a word about the 300 plus million suffering Dalits, the evil Caste System or any of the gory human right violations in the most violent country in the world, Caste India. If Bill Clinton could act in such cowardice manner, one can easily imagine what other foreigners would do in Caste India! When anyone from anywhere in the world goes to Caste India, a caste-ridden hindu will meet this person, wine him/her, dine him/her, show them the beautiful Taj Mahal and other Muslim historical buildings and take them through other carefully orchestrated tour routes, and provide every other comforts, no matter what those might be, to the outsiders. Then, the foreign visitors quietly leave the venomous Caste India without ever asking any questions or making any observations of the evil Caste reality, but saying only all the nice things that their hosts, the evil caste hindus, want them to say, like brainless dummies. What a tragedy! The barbarous hindus would care less for the cries of the 300 plus million Dalits because their hindu Satanic Cult has completely brainwashed them to ignore or even enjoy the cries of Dalits because the life of a Dalit is far cheaper and meaningless than any animal in Caste India. In addition, the unfortunate Untouchables or Outcastes (DALITS – Broken, Crushed, Oppressed, Subjugated people; also it means ‘Rooted in the Soil’, meaning original or indigenous people) were and still are oppressed, suppressed, segregated, brutalized, persecuted, marginalized, burn them alive, force them to eat human waste and drink human urine, women folks paraded naked in public places, rape them in every way including gang rapes and butcher the Dalits at will and ease; forced the Dalits to perform all the degrading and demeaning tasks and heap every insult upon the Dalits, pure mental slavery, with no remorse and impunity whatsoever, but with every iron-fisted force of enslavement to make them completely loose all hopes of being human beings – the sadistic hindus perpetrating the sadistic inhuman atrocities on the hopeless and helpless Dalits; however, the barbarous hindus faithfully follow the orders of the teachings of the sadistic hindu Satanic Cult to make the lives of the Dalits hopeless, helpless and despair and immersed in a spiral life of every violence and agony. The 300 plus million Dalits have essentially turned out to be permanent, obedient, free and willing slaves of the barbarous hindus, enslavement of not only the body but much more dangerous and permanent mind or mental slavery; all because of the obnoxious teachings of the hindu Satanic Cult, and if the Dalits don’t obey the orders of the obnoxious hindus, the Dalits will be barbarically dealt with and finally see to it that they are butchered ‘like rabbits’ with every indignation known to man. The barbarous hindus brutalized and criminalized the Indian society as a whole through treachery and deceit. The barbarous hindus are also the looters, robbers, usurpers and the true gravediggers and grave robbers. The barbarous hindus also keep telling the world as well as the ignorant and illiterate Dalits that the Dalits are brainless, dull and have no intelligence, no merit what so ever and cannot function in any work of substance, and thus rob them of everything including their basic thinking power.

    The Dalits are not allowed to read and write, as they are denied basic education with absolute pathetic living environment in segregated slums, no proper schools, abject poverty and every other disadvantage that make a person live like an animal. They cannot even go near the barbarous hindu gods’ temples, cannot carry arms, own property and the barbarous hindus enforced every conceivable restrictions on the Dalits (brutal penalty if they do not obey any of the evil caste rules) to be permanently ignorant and obedient and dumb slaves. Brutally massacring the Dalits is a pass time for the caste-infested hindus in Caste India, because no one will ever question these atrocities, no matter what the laws and rules have been written on paper in Caste India. Volumes have to be written to list all these brutal atrocities of heart rending persecutions committed on the poor, ignorant and innocent 300 plus million Dalits by the barbarous caste-ridden hindus in Caste India alone (Please see, for example, a book “Broken People – Caste Violence Against India’s Untouchables” by the Human Rights Watch, New York, USA, March 1999, on Dalit atrocities in Caste India). The caste-ridden hindus continue to perpetuate these evil and vicious inhuman crimes on Dalits with stony and hardened hearts and at free will even today because the caste hindu government of Caste India continues to protect these criminals, and the international community too behave like the three monkeys – Will Not See, Will Not Hear, and Will Not Speak, and keep adding fuel to the already violently burning flame. The barbarous caste-ridden Indian government might say that the Caste System may be an internal matter and purely a domestic problem, but if the 300 million Dalits would explode, the whole world will have to answer as the international community is as guilty or more guilty than those perpetrators of the vicious crimes on humanity in Caste India. The evil Caste System is more dangerous, barbarous, tyrannical, evil, and cruel than any other forms of racism – slavery and apartheid – the barbarous hindus have created an unpropitious and evil social system with frightening and fiery outcome because of its cunning and crafty manipulations and disguises, the most inhuman tragedy of any magnitude the world has ever seen. There could be slight modifications here in this explanation, but no one can deny the basic facts in these statements with honesty and human decency.

    Can anyone in the world, including the barbarous hindus, say that a similar vicious system exists anywhere in the world? No, no parallel in the entire world! Caste India is the graveyard of every human right violations anyone can think of. The evil Caste System exists wherever the barbarous hindus live, whether it is in Caste India or anywhere else on this planet, as the barbarous hindus always carry their cruel and poisonous Caste System with them, as they are sick and they have only sick and cruel mind, conditioned by the barbarous hindu Satanic Cult. Look at the matrimonial columns in any newspapers wherever the barbarous hindus live, not only in Caste India but also in the US, where the barbarous hindus find matches for their children for marriage – any newspaper in any city; ‘India Abroad’ in New York City, ‘India Tribune’ in Chicago and ‘India West’ in San Francisco, for example where they specifically and strictly ask for their own Castes and sub-castes basis. So, how can the so-called hindu intellectuals and the social scientists deny the simple fact that the evil Caste System is at least as worst as racism, to put it in a simplistic way? Because, they are one hundred percent intellectually dishonest and that is the reason that they can lie through their noses and hide the bare facts about the evil Caste System.

    The barbarous hindus have also been cheating the gullible and willingly ignorant people of the world to look at the other side and ignore when human right violations of the worst kind are occurring routinely and as a matter of fact in Caste India every day. It is also cheating the international community proclaiming that the Caste India is the ‘largest working democracy’ in the world, and the world seems to shamefully believe this blatant lie without ever asking a simple question as to what kind of democracy can survive in a country where 300 plus million Dalits are oppressed, segregated and exploited for the last 3,500 years and this still happily continues without any shred of shame. Should not the Dalits put the entire blame for their suffering on the international community for being reckless in not knowing as well as not wanting to know the facts about the evil Caste System of the hindu Satanic Cult and Caste India, the original home of racism in the world? What a shame! Only a person who does not understand or does not want to understand the true meaning of the word ‘democracy’ can say that the Caste India is a democracy. It is in fact a hollow and more so a fake democracy! Just because a country has political elections (that too, one needs to really study how many people are killed, not allowed to vote, purchase votes for few bucks or even one-time meal or absolute intimidation to vote for someone or be killed, or their women folks dishonored in every which way, their huts burnt, ballot boxes destroyed, the polling booths looted, polling officers hurt and killed all with full support of the ‘criminals in uniform’ Caste Indian police, in order to prevent the innocent and helpless masses from exercising even this basic right in a supposedly democratic country!) that does not mean that this country has democracy. Dr. B. R. Ambedkar has said long time ago that a country cannot have political democracy unless that country has absolute social democracy. Caste India does not even know what social democracy is all about because it has the most vicious and venomous Caste System, which is diagonally opposite to what social democracy, is all about. So how can democracy ever survive in a country, which is immersed in the evil hindu Caste System with ingrained social discrimination, oppression, exploitation and every other gory atrocity?

    Instead of going through the definitions and descriptions of the words, caste and race, and their deeds, which could very well be termed as an academic exercise, let us see the implications and how racism and the evil Caste System were and are practiced in the world. Let us first take Racism – Slavery and Apartheid – are two examples of how the other forms of racism have been practiced in the world. Both were evil systems, and there is absolutely no doubt about this fact! But, let us go into the details of these two evil systems and then compare this racism with the most evil mother of all racisms, the poisonous Caste System: It is also a fact that these two evil Racisms are in general no more in practice in the world, except in small pockets of areas in the world where still few bigoted people (always) live! Now, let us ask a simple question: How were these racisms practiced, and how and why they disappeared from the face of this planet?

    Racism is purely, simply and primarily an economically based system; extracting free labor from the slaves, using every available cruel torture mechanisms to achieve this goal, merely a physical system and not a direct mental system. This is the reason why the slaves were allowed into their masters’ homes to cook, to rear their children, to help with every house-hold chores of the masters including helping the daily needs of their (white) women, and in many instances the slave women were forced into pleasing the sexual desires of the male masters. Instances where the Black men were forced to please sexual pleasures of the white master women too are in record. In essence, the slaves had free access to every nook and corner of the slave masters’ houses and they can touch each other, sit next to each other, etc. The slaves were told that they were slaves because of their skin color and nothing else. No ‘untouchability’ was ever part of these evil racisms. Apparently, no god and no religion (would not be a religion, if so!) played any part in these evil racisms. I am not anyway implying here that these racisms are better and tolerable systems. No, they are evil and I am so glad that they have disappeared from the face of this earth, thanks and glory to our own Black Brothers and Sisters in the United States of America, South Africa and in other parts of the world where our Brothers and Sisters gave their lives and underwent all forms of unbearable miseries to save our future generations from the evil teeth of racism. We should definitely mention here those glorious and fair-minded white folks who worked with and helped our Black Brothers and Sisters for the destruction of the evil racisms.

    Now, let us look at the vicious Caste System of barbarous hindu brahminism in depth. First of all, this evil system was supposed to have created by some imaginary gods and goddesses, the so-called ‘karma’ theory where the entire blame for being the slaves – Untouchables and Outcastes, Dalits – were and are still squarely put on the victims for their sufferings. The evil Caste System was created by the racist white aryans for the first time in the world (founding fathers of RACISM in the world), and to protect and perpetuate this racism, i. e. evil Caste System, they created the barbarous Satanic Cult, hinduism, and put all the responsibilities of protecting and preserving all the evil teachings of the vicious Caste System on the imaginary millions of their gods and goddesses. Dogs and cats can freely move around into the houses of the caste-ridden hindus, but the Dalits cannot dare go into the homes of the barbarous caste hindus, nay, they cannot even go to the streets where the evil caste-infested hindus live. The slaves cannot even go near the temples where millions of hindu gods and goddesses who supposedly created the evil Caste System presumably live. Their gods and goddesses too adhere strictly to the evil Caste System and untouchability. The most heinous practice and the highest form of injustice of the Caste System is Untouchability. Not only the slaves were and are the Untouchables, but they are also Unseeables, even Unapproachables and Unshadowables and in every other inhuman ways the barbarous hindus torture the innocent millions of the Untouchables and Outcastes (Dalits). The Dalits still cannot wear shoes in the presence of the caste-infested hindus (the Dalits have to take their shoes in their hands if they see any caste-ridden hindu), cannot take water from the same well where from the barbarous caste hindus take water, and cannot sit while the caste hindus pass by, cannot ride a bicycle, cannot use an umbrella in the presence of caste hindus, in some parts of Caste India, a newly married Dalit bride will be forcefully deflowered by the obnoxious caste hindus, to name just a few cruel injustices, humiliations and indignations. Even though they are Untouchables, their women folks will become Touchables when it comes to quenching the sexual pleasures of these wild hindu beasts. For these purposes, there is absolutely no evil caste system and untouchability because they could show their power over the Dalits by these heinous acts! The same goes for the obnoxious “Satanic Cult, HINDU TEMPLE PROSTITUTION” – evil Devadasi System where young Dalit girls are forced into prostitution inside the evil hindu temples. Another gory discovery and strict implementation of the evil Caste System and the hindu Satanic Cult is “MANUAL SCAVENGING” – cleaning dry latrines and carrying human wastes on the heads – is another most dehumanizing and degrading inhuman practice imposed on the Dalits by the barbarous caste-ridden hindus with the full support of the caste-infested hindu government through the evil Caste System and the practice of the most cruel form of untouchability. If you don’t call Caste India the world’s most violent and blood dripping country on earth, then what is your explanations?

    Today, slavery and apartheid have disappeared from the face of this planet. These kinds of racisms are also fairly new and short-lived. They had hardly 200 years of existence. They could not survive any longer because, as I said earlier, they were based purely on ‘economical exploitation’, nothing more and nothing less. Also, several honest white people worked hard with the Black people to eradicate these evil racisms. But, can anyone find one hindu, a single lone hindu, to work for the demolition of the evil Caste System? No, Never! Let us now imagine that these two evil racisms were thought to be part of Christianity and Jesus Christ was the creator of these evil racisms, I bet, these evil systems of racism will still be going strong today and for many more millenniums. It is an absolute fact that racism was and still is not connected with any religion or god in any part of the world except in Caste India where the barbarous hindu gods and goddesses and its hindu Satanic Cult were and are the main source of the evil Caste System.

    On the other hand, the evil Caste System is over 3,500 years old and is still going strong, not only in Caste India, but also wherever the barbarous hindus live in the world without any exception. Go to the USA, one would easily see the evil Caste System happily flourishing on the American soil with no opposition, all under the false guise and word manipulation of ‘freedom of religion’. Just like in Caste India, in the US too, the evil Caste System of the hindu Satanic Cult is being practiced with every false propaganda, and the naïve Americans cannot even understand this evilness. By the time the Americans realize this evilness, it would be too late, and the whole land of USA would have been completely poisoned and the cancer will be totally engulfed. The barbarous hindus have no guts to face the facts with moral honesty about the evil Caste System of the hindu Satanic Cult. Morality, honesty, human compassion, etc. are all foreign to the barbarous hindus!

    The slaves are blaming themselves for their sufferings, because the so-called barbarous hindu gods are supposedly punishing the slaves, the Dalits, for their imaginary bad deeds in their so-called previous lives. When the slaves blame themselves for their sufferings with the tacit approval and cruel enforcement of the barbarous caste-ridden hindus, who can help the ignorant, illiterate and desperately poor Dalits, no one can possibly help them! When the slaves are enjoying their slavery (may be out of shear ignorance and stupidity), who can possibly help them? No one, I presume, no one at all, except the egalitarian world community can wake up and give the Dalits the “TRUE EDUCATION” about this world menace, the evil Caste System of the barbarous hindu Satanic Cult. Have the so-called gods and goddesses of the barbarous hindu Satanic Cult come down to earth to tell the slaves, the Dalits, that they are being punished for their specific misdeeds or crimes in their so-called previous lives? Why don’t the slaves, the Dalits, revolt? They are that dumb, made further dumber by the obnoxious hindu Satanic Cult and therefore they are being subjugated into these heinous inhuman enslavements by the barbarous hindus with the full support of the hindu Satanic Cult. If the Dalits ever revolt, they will be suitably dealt with in every available heinous means on hand (they are currently too punished by the caste-ridden hindus with the willing help of police, administration, judiciary and every other official mechanism available to the poisonous hindus) to put the Dalits in their slave position. There are plenty of laws in Caste India against untouchability, and every other atrocities against Dalits – but have any of these laws ever be implemented anytime in Caste India? No! Never!! Because these laws are only on books – mere words written on a piece of paper – no one can eat a fruit drawn on a paper! Right!! Numerous Dalits are butchered everyday! Every Dalit is oppressed and suppressed mentally and physically from the day he/she is born!! Thousands of Dalit women are paraded naked, rapped and gang rapped. But, have anyone heard of these animals who perpetrated these heinous crimes punished ever? No! Why? Before the ink dries on writing about one crime, the evil hindus commit hundreds of crimes on Dalits trenched in blood, all with the full support and encouragement of the evil caste hindu machinery. It is because the criminals are committing all these crimes as per the teachings of the hindu Satanic Cult. Also, the so-called laws and rules of Caste India do not make these hindu criminals feel a bit scared or afraid. All the laws are in fact dead-letter laws in Caste India. When the Dalits occasionally gather enough courage to go to the police to file a complaint against the evil caste hindus, the police routinely file cases against the Dalits themselves, torture them and put them in jails. No laws against the barbarous hindu Satanic Cult ever are implemented in Caste India – BANANA Republic! – A country of LAW OF JUNGLE or JUNGLE RAJ!!

    When a hard-core right wing, highly placed barbarous hindu in Caste Indian government can proclaim that Caste System is this country’s (Caste India’s) culture and an internal affair and therefore no one in the world can talk about it, what do all the so-called hindu intelligentsia and the social scientists say? Nothing, and maintain absolute silence, and this is the reason why we call them intellectual prostitutes. What do the so-called politically elected representatives and leaders of the Dalit slave community say? Also nothing, nothing at all, because they cannot think, their brains are completely dead, they in fact have no brains to even think and act and therefore they obediently follow the orders of their masters like obedient dogs wagging their tails blindly even though they are being insulted, oppressed and subjugated by their masters, the barbarous caste hindus. Therefore, we call them (most of them anyway with very few exceptions) the political prostitutes! This is another reason why Caste India is not a democracy. It is a joke – a criminal joke – that the international community keeps calling Caste India a democracy as discussed above; it is in fact the graveyard of democracy. By calling Caste India a democracy, the international community in fact is aiding and supporting the caste-ridden hindus to continue to humiliate and oppress the 300 plus million Dalits as Untouchables and sub-human beings. The world has to accept responsibility for these heinous crimes that continue to occur in Caste India everyday of the year. The world community, by keeping complete silence, obviously adding fuel to the evil caste fire and thus the caste atrocities continue with added vigor of blood-spitting and complete arrogance. The evil Caste System of the hindu Satanic Cult is the poison that bred moral decay in all areas of life of the Dalits.

    The cruel racist white aryans created the evil Caste System and then to protect this evil Caste System, they created the barbarous hindu Satanic Cult and millions of gods and goddesses and tons and tons of superstitions, rituals, dogmas, reincarnation, and every other brain deadening beliefs and scary threats to humans, particularly to Dalits through evil, filthy, trash and the hate-spitting poisonous so-called hindu Satanic Cult ‘scriptures’. If the evil Caste System is destroyed, the barbarous hindu Satanic Cult will collapse right away. Without the evil Caste System, there is no hindu Satanic Cult! As a matter of fact, the evil Caste System is the bedrock on which the barbarous hindu Satanic Cult stands. As said earlier, hindu Satanic Cult was created to protect and preserve the evil Caste System – the VARNA system. Anyone who enjoys the benefits of the evil Caste System, they will do every thing in their power to perpetuate and to continue the evil Caste System using all their intellectual dishonesty. If there is only one hindu on this planet, then I guarantee that there will be at least two castes, may be more, but a minimum of two castes! This is the reality of the facts about the evil Caste System of the hindu Satanic Cult, and the barbarous caste-ridden hindus. It is the worst cancer that human beings ever could have encountered! So, as long as the barbarous hindu Satanic Cult is practiced on this earth, the evil Caste System will happily be dancing away continuously and freely, killing millions of Dalits using the ORIGINAL RACISM, the evil Caste System, both physically and much more so mentally. The real racism, Varna System, i.e. the evil Caste System of the barbarous hindu Satanic Cult, is the mother of Racism, Fascism and Nazism. If anyone goes into the origins of all these evil systems, one would easily find out that the evil Caste System was the originator of all these evil racisms through its VARNA i.e. RACE theory. White aryans were the first in this world to create racism some 3,500 years back, by means of Varna, i. e. COLOR or RACISM. One of the most notorious evil persons in the world, Hitler, had held the evil hindu teachings in high esteem and in fact borrowed the evil hindu symbol “Swastika” to represent his evil Nazism. Hitler also believed that hinduism was the essence of aryan superiority race theory and therefore faithfully followed this belief. There is a racist Nazi in the United States of America, David Duke, and he said that his belief in white supremacy and white racism got reinforced after his visit to Caste India. Wherever evil deeds of racism have taken place in this world, no matter where and when, it could easily be traced out that they borrowed the evil teachings of the hindu Satanic Cult, VARNA, the race superiority theory, to sustain their evil beliefs. In fact, the barbarous hindu Satanic Cult, i. e. its evil Caste System, is the father and mother of Racism, Fascism and Nazism. This world would have been a far better place to live without this barbarous hindu Satanic Cult and its evil Caste System.

    The words “compassion and kindness” do not even exist in the evil hindu dictionary and ethos. Treating someone else, as an “equal” has never been part of the barbarous hindu teachings. But, when it comes to his/her own caste, the barbarous hindus will do anything and everything in the name of his/her own evil Caste! Brotherhood and sisterhood are absolutely foreign to the evil hindus. A good and decent religion teaches (or should teach) its followers to treat his/her fellow human beings as another human being with compassion, kindness and human decency with brotherhood, sisterhood and fundamental human love. But the barbarous hindu Satanic Cult taught and is still teaching to treat another human being on the basis of the evil Caste System, as inferior and filthy Untouchables, using every other derogatory, bigoted and indecent means and with complete inhuman contempt. This is the reason that the barbarous hindu Satanic Cult is not a religion, but a Satanic Cult or Demonic Cult. The barbarous hindu Satanic Cult is not a religion, it will never be a religion, and my humble request to you all is that nobody should refer to the barbarous hindu Satanic Cult as a religion. It would be a grave insult to the egalitarian religions of the world! It is hindu Satanic Cult, the white Aryan HINDU HATE PHILOSOPHY!

    The evil caste system is strictly based on the rule of “ascending order of reverence and descending order of contempt”, fully supporting the creation, protection and the perpetuation of the various evil castes and sub-castes of the evil Caste System. The evil Caste System is so heinous that it teaches a child that he/she is an Untouchables the day he/she is born. That too, his/her own mother would tell this obnoxious reality of Caste India to the child, a well designed blot on humanity by the evil hindu Satanic Cult. Have any one of you heard more heart wrenching and blood spitting cruel acts than this, and all these are done with the complete support and approval of the barbarous hindu Satanic Cult? The evil Caste System has created extreme bloody violence with abhorrent conditions. There is absolutely no self-respect, self-esteem, freedom, liberty, human dignity, self-confidence, self-pride, self-assertiveness, self-love for the Dalits, but lots of self-hatred, self-anger, self-shame, inferiority complex, all for no fault of theirs, but because of the poisonous teachings and the perpetuation of the barbarous hindu Satanic Cult. So the evil Caste System of the hindu Satanic Cult is not only a physical slavery system like the classical racism, but a much more gory system of mental slavery and the evil practice of untouchability indoctrinated from the day a child is born to a Dalit parent by putting a stamp on the innocent human being as Untouchable, Unseeable, Unapproachable, Unspeakable, Unshadowable, filthy and worthless sub or inferior human being!

    It may be, to an extent, an academic exercise to try to define and confuse the meanings of the words caste and race, as desired by the barbarous hindus and as discussed above. Particularly the evil hindus may not even agree with the above approach. Let us forget that, as we can never get the truth from the barbarous hindus anyway! Instead, let us focus on the causes and effects of the two evil racisms on human beings. Any honest individual can easily say that the evil Caste System is the worst case of any racism and this evil Caste System has been suffocating some 300 million plus Dalits in Caste India alone, even today which is happily going on since last 3,500 years, ever since the evil white aryans stepped into our mother land India and made Caste India as the most violent country in the world. It is a pure and simple intellectual prostitution if anyone could oppose the international community to discuss the evil Caste System, immoral, unjust and intolerable system, along with racism in the UN forum. All those who suffer under this evil Caste System and all those who came from this community should march to South Africa to raise in ONE VOICE to tell all the truths about the evil Caste System so that the whole world would hear and possibly spit on the faces of the obnoxious hindus while proclaiming that the evil Caste System of the hindu Satanic Cult is not only Racism, but the evil Caste System is in fact Racism, Fascism and Nazism, all rolled into one huge evilness of the worst kind that this planet has ever encountered. Let our voices and views be heard loud and clear around the world, and if the evil hindus say that the Caste System is an internal matter, we should tell them that it cannot be an internal matter after 3,500 years of havoc that killed the human spirit and the countless murders, rapes, burning, subjugation, persecution and every atrocity imaginable, and the very existence of 300 plus million Dalits as Untouchables in Caste India alone is simply unbearable and the world community as a whole should be ashamed of itself for this human tragedy the world has never seen before and hopefully it will never see again except in Caste India. Human dignity, social justice and social equality are completely killed by the evil Caste System of the barbarous hindu Satanic Cult. And the world would do well if it could throw the evil Caste System and the Satanic Cult, hinduism, both (one cannot be killed without the other, both should be killed simultaneously or if the hindu Satanic Cult somehow is luckily killed, the evil Caste System will automatically follow its own demise!) into the middle of the sea as deep as possible so that this evilness will never again show its ugly and filthy face on this planet earth or on any other planet for that matter. Social Justice cannot be achieved as long as the evil Caste System of the hindu Satanic Cult is practiced anywhere on any planet. It would be a tremendous psychological boost for the Dalits if the international community could discus the gory evil issues of the obnoxious Caste System of the barbarous hindu Satanic Cult. This will also be a seal of approval for the Dalits’ struggle and a serious warning to the barbarous hindus that the world is no more a silent spectator in this gruel game of the evil Caste System of the hindu Satanic Cult, its millions of gods and goddesses and its tons of superstitions, dogmas, rituals, karmas, and every other conceivable cock and bull evil stories. The world community should not let the flame of freedom lit by the Dalits die down and should do everything in its power to kill the evil hindu Caste System. But, never add fuel to the flame of the evil caste hindus in their cunning game of killing the Dalits with evil disguise, taught by the barbarous hindu Satanic Cult.

    Until and unless the world community discusses non-stop the evil Caste System of the hindu Satanic Cult, the barbarous hindus will continue to tell the world that the evil Caste System is an internal matter so that they can continue to kill, both mental and physical genocide, at their will and pleasure with the full support of the barbarous hindu Satanic Cult. The 300 plus million Dalits of Caste India who are being continuously suffocated under this evil Caste System of the barbarous hindu Satanic Cult will not forget and forgive the international community if it does not recognize their terrible sufferings for over 3,500 years solely due to the evil Caste System of the barbarous hindu Satanic Cult. Please do the right thing, the honest thing, and the decent human thing by punishing the evil caste-infested hindus in the international arena. Please put the barbarous caste-ridden hindus in proper place and save humanity once in for all.

    The evil racial apartheid system was dismantled only because of intense pressure put forward by the international community, in addition to the tireless efforts by the African American community of United States of America. Hon. Nelson Mandela describes as to how the evil racism apartheid was destroyed in South Africa in his autobiographical book “Long Walk To Freedom” (Little, Brown and company, 1994), “International pressure mounted. More companies left South Africa. The American Congress had passed a sweeping sanctions bill.” In addition, he says that “An oppressive system cannot be reformed, I said, it must be entirely cast aside”. Why has the world community kept silence as well as going along with the oppressors of 300 plus million Dalits, the barbarous hindus, with completely blood-socked hands as co-conspirators?

    Also, the international community is blindly making statements without ever thinking the consequences or the root of any statements they make. For example, a past leading politician of England once said that “…is International PARAIAH”, “…. Will be treated like a PARAIAH”. Has anyone ever thought through as to the meaning of the word “PARAIAH”? This word, PARAIAH, is an evil Caste word, to supposedly represent the poor Dalits. Does this mean that the international community accepts and supports the evil Caste System, or does it show their complete lack of understanding about Caste India and the evil Caste System of the barbarous hindu Satanic Cult?

    If the evil caste-infested hindus say that they will eliminate the evil caste system, please ask them one simple question as to “how they propose to accomplish this task?” If they say that untouchability has been already abolished in the Constitution, then let us ask them as to why so many of the Dalits are butchered, their women folks raped and every other evilness dancing on the soil of Caste India so happily every day. The Dalits have to tell them and the international community that anything can be written on a piece of paper and they do not matter unless they are implemented properly all the time. They are toothless paper tigers to cheat the international community. The police, the judiciary, the bureaucrats, the media (both the print and the electronic), politicians, prisoners, the jailers and even the hangmen all belong to the caste-infested hindus and for them the evil Caste System of the hindu Satanic Cult is more important that justice, social justice and human justice.

    In Caste India, everything is based on the evil Caste and nothing moves or shakes without the full influence of the evil Caste. And the Dalits are suffering untold miseries for centuries. The world, which helped to destroy and abolish the root and branch of the evil apartheid from South Africa, why does it keep quiet with respect to the much more vicious and poisonous evil Caste System?

    The Dalits need and wish a “real beginning” for their dignified life with the help of the international community for an international human justice and its understanding of all the evil happenings in Caste India for the past 3,500 years. Worst human right violations than any other racism can ever create or even imagine that have been happening in Caste India every day for the past 3,500 years! Killing the evil Caste System will automatically and immediately kill all types of racism in the world, as the mother of all evilness in the world, Satanic Cult hinduism, is killed, there will not be any racism of any type, including the most heinous and venomous racism, the evil Caste System, in this world.

    If you tell and treat a person with all available force that he/she is inferior, worthless, Untouchable, meant only for dirty, filthy and slave works, everyday since their births that too supposedly ordained by some evil gods and goddesses, how could that person ever be a normal human being? This is what the barbarous Satanic Cult, hinduism, has been and is perpetuating to 300 plus million Dalits for the last 3,500 years. Is the world going to allow this evilness to go on unchecked and look the other side like a bunch of innocent bystanders? No, No way, this cannot be allowed and the international community has to come together once in for all to eradicate and write the obituary of the evil Caste System and the Satanic Cult, hinduism, and suitably punish the barbarous hindus for all their evil deeds during the last 3,500 years. One cannot be killed without the other being killed, so both the evils, Caste System and hindu Satanic Cult, have to be killed simultaneously to free this world from the most evil and original racism, the EVIL CASTE SYSTEM of the HINDU SATANIC CULT! The world community should know or at least try to learn the facts that the classical racisms, slavery and apartheid, will pale into insignificance in front of the most heinous hindu Caste System.

    Segregation is racism, oppression is racism, subjugation is racism, persecution is racism, cruelty is racism, untouchability is much more evil than any form of racism; in essence the evil CASTE SYSTEM is the MOTHER of ALL RACISM!! The world community has an obligation to the permanently suffering 300 plus million Dalits to study the evil Caste System and its cruel untouchability to deliver the facts, nothing but the facts, based on human and social justice. Therefore, let your deliberations in this Conference on the unique evil racism, Caste System, start with a big bang and also end with a bigger bang, and definitely not with a sad whimper as the evil hindus and the barbarous hindu government of Caste India are hoping for. If you surrender to the lies of the barbarous hindus, then you would definitely be adding fuel to the already burning out of control fire of the most evil Caste System of the barbarous Satanic Cult, hinduism.

    You go to Caste India yourself to study and gather the facts about the evil Caste System. The evil Caste System, with full of prejudice and hate, is a very complex, vicious and inhuman system, as described above, and a compelling and detailed close look at this poison by the honest world community is the urgent need of the hour to save millions of permanently suffering depressed and deprived Dalits who live with no dignity, simple human dignity, whatsoever, at the hands of the barbarous hindus using the evil Caste System of the hindu Satanic Cult. But, please do absolutely make sure that you go to the sufferers of the obnoxious Caste System, the Dalits, and not the oppressors, the barbarous Caste hindus, as what Mr. Bill Clinton and others have so for done and in turn caused a grave injustice and added more agony to the already suffering 300 plus million helpless Dalits of Caste India.

  3. June 11, 2008 6:44 PM

    Forgive my ignorance Aditya. But even if it is old hat, the point I wanted to make was that the CBP idea of placing OBCs rather than upper castes as the ‘principal enemy’ of Dalits, and thus seeing Brahmins as a natural ally of Dalits – this theorising seems to see caste as a system…

  4. Saint permalink
    June 12, 2008 10:17 PM

    OBCs certainly are the most dangerous enemies of dalits in the past few decades as well as of now and perhaps in the coming decades unless by accident or by chance they get some enlightenment that OBCs were not hindus.

    Unless, the OBCs realize that they are fighting and killing their own brothers and sisters in the name of caste system and mythical, filthy hindu religious believes!! which is not going to either change or take a slightest reformation soon among OBCs.

    Mainly because the extreme god beliefs and practices that Brahmins brought into this OBC communities and others (inluding dalits) are incredebly difficult to break up, OBCs would rather love to die in a fight with dalit or others about their god beliefs and religious bindings than to come to a realization that they were manipulated religiously and by the social chaos, the caste system.

    hindu mindset and OBCs mind set is hardwired, if OBCs themselves are ingrained by religious myths so strongly, so you can imagine about the BCs and Forward caste communities who all believe as though they were gods of gods (their holy books says so?), and they can simply disregard there is any humans as humans and regard themselves as super humans, such is their mindset, which wholey originates from brahminic hammering of lifestyles into these people and it is centuries old?.

    Infact, while the preachers of hinduism and brahminism themselves (brahmins) are broadly flexible these days in their social and economic lifestyles, the OBCs remain the most hardwired and mythical believers of India in the past and present that is exactly why it is going to be impractical to change OBCs.

    Wait..wait, this is no means or ways to say that Brahmins are allies of dalits dear Shivam……

    they will never be allys to any good humans (dalits and other good Indians who do not belive in caste).

    To the most part, brahmins are divisionists, extremely dangerous human beings who’s principle way of living in the society is to manipulate, steal the opportunities and mis manage every walks of life in India to keep themselves in the top of the ladder.

    If they can join hands with dalits to form a ruling party (as it happened in UP?), this in the past would have been considered impossible, if such a collaboration happened already and in full swing in UP, this explains the very flexible and opportunitic minds of brahmins, but you will not expect even a caste wall to be broken to make the OBCs and dalits live together???. What do you expect from such people?.

    If dalit leaders are smart enough like Mayawati (to a little extent!?) success will be the output but if it is at the expense of dalit’s unity and dalit’s upliftment, it is a danger too?,

    we have to wait and see at the end of Mayawati’s term, if there is a real upliftment of dalit society in UP and her ruling brought equity and equality in UP.

    Shivam Vij, you can do better in interpretation and in your writings if you are unbiased about safegaurding OBCs at wrong places,

    would you say that OBCs in Khairlanji (the most cruel, bloody and inhumane massacre of four dalit members of a family) are good humans, would you say Thevars, Vanniyars the most notorious and barbaric of all OBCs are good humans, would you say Yadhavs, goudas, Reddys are good humans, just look at the numbers in the recent past history of voilence, discrimination and atrocities???
    ………….. almost all the carnages, murders and mass killings of South, North, East and West India are committed by OBCs.

    Anyone who knows this truth is going to believe OBCs are the worst enemies of Dalits, ofcourse the whole culture is a creation of brahmins, while they try to come to a realization to not get involved in dalit killings or in carnages, the OBCs are in full swing.

    Nothing will change the perception and the very truth that OBCs lack human approach to fellow humans, no matter where this culture and belief originated, this needs immediate change?.

  5. Ranju Radha permalink
    July 24, 2008 10:34 AM

    Caste in modern context can’t be understood in the way it existed say for eg 100 years ago. So Jeffrelot’s “misquoted” (that s we gathered from him during another interview) statement cannot be taken as analytical. It s a good for nothing, yet another journalistc/ idiotic way of representing Indian society.
    Even Rudolph and Rudolph’s idea of ‘para communities’ to a greater extent fail to address the struggles against brahminical system of caste from various sections of society. One needs to look beyond the limited framework provided by ‘para communities’ to understand the undercurrents of this process.
    it can’t be also understood from MNSrinivas kind of simplistic understandng of social change
    thnks

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