Sorry for the awkwardly delayed response. I was only referred back here again today and I have no means to reply to you apart from this forum.

I dont know about you but I pray you are not a Forensic expert in your area. FYI Forensics is building a theory around facts and evidence . You seem to have theory and want to impose on everyone my supporting yourself with speculations. ( Things like police don’t want to admit to this or that etc) See my comment before about – a theory that the inspector was castrated on his way to the hospital and no one can disprove it. That’s how absurd it is – your comical bigoted claims.

And as per specialities go – well, clearly your idea of ballistics is just as good as Sarah Palins. Look around some forensic journals for case studies.

Here’s a watered down example I’ll throw at you. 9mm shot – moderate perforation misses aorta splinters into n pieces without exit wound. One or many splinters punctures medium sized artery say Superior Mesenteric Artery, spillage starts late as the splinter is dislodged enroute to hospital, voila hypovolemic shock, cardiac failure – and arrest? Eh?

But no!

Your idea of bullet injuries is — entry bullet – bleed – exit bullet intact. Wow. Therefore he was shot again and again and was killed. Brilliant.

You can’t change any regional ethnic status, But, in my experience it’s mostly the bengalis who insist on their own delusional absurdities as sole rightful reality. May be not all bengalis, but most compared to others. May be I’m wrong but of course I am entitled to my prejudices.
Have an easy day.

Unfortunately, my genetic inheritance and ethnic identity are not the kind of things that I can either change to suit your prejudices. Bengalis, alas, will be bengalis.

There is something that I can do though, which is to take your claim of being a Forensic Specialist seriously.

You write:

“But as a Forensic specialist let me answer this: there is a thing as internal bleeding and it happens commonly in abdominal /thoracic injuries. Esp in close range gun shots.”

True. Very true. Just one problem. Bleeding may be contained within the body if there is no outlet, or channel for the blood to seep or gush out through. This would be the case if the bullet that caused the wound stayed in the body and blocked a passage that would ordinarily led to heavy external bleeding as opposed to internal haemorrhage (which is what happens when people collapse due to ruptured organs even after being revived with a Heimlich Maneouvre)

In this case, we have been asked to believe that there no bullet stayed within the body. if this is so, there must be an exit wound, (and exit wounds are appreciably larger in diameter than entrance wounds). And then there would certainly be heavy external bleeding.

It is possible, that the bullet stayed within the body, at least until such time as Inspector Sharma reached the Hospital. But that it was a bullet that the police could not for some reason or another afford to admit to. Because the identity of that bullet, (which gun it would have been fired from) was not convenient to admit to.

Or, he has been shot at least once, afterwards.

Either way, the photograph we see, and eyewitness accounts of Sharma walking that I have recently heard, raise more questions than are answered by your forensic expertise.

I regret to say that the questions are not being asked by misguided Bengalis like myself alone

regards,

Shuddha

http://kafila.org/2008/10/13/jamia-teachers-solidarity-group-some-questions-for-the-delhi-police-and-embedded-journalists/

http://www.hindu.com/2008/10/10/stories/2008101053621100.htm

i didn’t know that “freedom of expression” in your dictionary means censoring out posts you don’t like.

you feel it is ok to jump into pronouncing the police guilty without even knowing the facts of the case, i can only feel sorry for you. so much for responsible journalism!!

in malayalam, there is a saying which goes like, “it is easy to wake up someone who is asleep, but not someone who is pretending to be asleep”

Lets keep it decent.

It is called freedom of press. kafila ROCKS!!!

The Analytical guy…the strategist didn’t think of wearing a bulletproof jacket?

Mangalam, a Malayalam daily reports from delhi (25th sept) that the claims of the police are false and fabricated. Quoting the manager of the Union bank Mr R L Dohra and deputy I G of Azamgarh, the report refutes the police and intelligence force’s claims that foreign money in crores were put into Atif’s account. According to the bank records transactions were only for 2000 or 1000 rupees, quite normal for any middle class Indian.

Citing eye witness account the report says that the police team dragged Atif and sajid out of the room and kept at the down floor. And only after that the shooting happened. People said they heard a policeman saying “sab is shot” . theyr heard more gunshots..the body of two students were brought down after that. Even the doctors of AIIMS have reportedly said that both these students were physically tortured and signs of torture were there in their body.

Inspector Sharma could have been shot from behind by a tall man from a close range, expert doctors say. Who could be this tall man? Why the bullets that killed Sharma are missing?
Why the hurry in demonizing Azamgarh as “place of terror”? Why such colonial creation and stereotyping of one particular tribe as “thieves” haunt the 21st century combing operations as well? When will we be blessed with a sensible police force with scientific probing mechanism?

And last but not least, when will we simple minded Indians emancipate ourselves from brahminical terror mindset that spread the venom of hatred and inequality; that make us kill and rape and yet claim to be nationalists and patriots; that pits neighbour against neighbour; that demonises the OTHER; that never allow us to introspect and ashamedly sits in media houses and propagate the message of hate and terror against one particular community… looking at national newspapers and TV channels these days was a horrible experience as they echoed violence. It was/is indeed the real TERROR.

That is an analysis? Building a theory around a fertile speculation, without evidence and throwing a few links is analysis?
God save you people. What a nation of misguided jokers?

Hmm. Actually There aren’t much questions in the article deemed as ‘worthy’. But as a Forensic specialist let me answer this: there is a thing as internal bleeding and it happens commonly in abdominal /thoracic injuries. Esp in close range gun shots.

Some of you might have come across people collapsing or even dying after many hours following resuscitation or Hiemlich’s. The culprit being ruptured vessel or fractured rib impinging on a major vessel leading on to bleeding into peritoneum. Hard to recognize , and still be fatal.

This is the commenest. There are so many other variables: like, just to make it thrilling- he might be a heavy drinker, which might have affected his liver and therefore the clotting time. I can sit here and speculate all day.

And of course that doesn’t make the encounter less suspicious( for reasons beyond your simple minds ) but it would make your hopeless, ignorant theory more absurd. And most definitely it wouldnt disprove if the guy on the right beheaded and castrated the man while travelling to the hospital?

As I heard somewhere, A little less melodrama? And hey perhaps, a bit more forensics, what say?

When asked to specify from which part of the body did the bullet enter and exit, a senior doctor said, “Study of the passage of bullets show that one could have entered from the left shoulder and exited from the left upper arm and the other from the abdomen and then the hips.

“At this moment I cannot specifically say what were the entry and exit points of the bullets. It could be the other way round also.” (http://www.ptinews.com/pti%5Cptisite.nsf/0/A99AE5AAA71F1468652574CC004E02CF?OpenDocument)

…“It was a routine verification which turned into an encounter,” said a member who had gone along with Sharma’s team. Another factor which handicapped the operation was that some of Sharma’s usual team members were not present as they were out of town on other assignments,” said a cop.

It was sub-inspector Dharmender, the man in the tie, who went up to the flat first posing as a salesman and saw two suspects inside. Thinking that there were only two, he signalled Sharma to come up. However, what the team did not anticipate were the three men who came out from the adjoining room and fired at Sharma, who was holding one of the militants. (http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Delhi/Lensman_recounts_Sharmas_last_moments/articleshow/3519967.cms)