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		<title>By: Thinking through UP election results with numbers: Rahul Verma &#171; Kafila</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Mar 2012 04:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: A Flawed Democracy &#8211; The Case for Proportional Representation in India: Srinivasan Ramani &#171; Kafila</title>
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		<title>By: Why Mayawati&#8217;s defeat is the BSP&#8217;s victory &#171; Kafila</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2012 14:09:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Some thoughts on the &#8220;hawa&#8221; in Indian elections &#171; Kafila</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Some thoughts on the &#8220;hawa&#8221; in Indian elections &#171; Kafila]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2012 13:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Last 15 comments CPHRD on Joint Statement on police atrocities and state repression on anti-POSCO&#160;struggleOn the BSF atrocities &#171; Mukti on Holy Cow: Jyoti Rahman on Indophobia in&#160;BangladeshComeTogether &#171; speaksinside on The Making of an Authority: Anna Hazare in Ralegan&#160;SiddhiMahtab Alam on Joint Statement on police atrocities and state repression on anti-POSCO&#160;struggleupal Chakraborty on Stop the Cycle of Revenge and Violence in West&#160;BengalRam Sharma on Joint Statement on police atrocities and state repression on anti-POSCO&#160;strugglearunima chakraborty on Romancing&#160;WarAditya Nigam on Stop the Cycle of Revenge and Violence in West&#160;Bengalsatya on Stop the Cycle of Revenge and Violence in West&#160;BengalSunalini Kumar on Stop the Cycle of Revenge and Violence in West&#160;BengalRam Sharma on Stop the Cycle of Revenge and Violence in West&#160;BengalSeeing UP from Phulpur &#171; Kafila on Why Hindol Sengupta needn’t fear&#160;MayawatiSeeing UP from Phulpur &#171; Kafila on The meaning of Maywati for the Dalit&#160;movementSeeing UP from Phulpur &#171; Kafila on Rahul Gandhi and the Dalit votebank in Uttar&#160;PradeshSeeing UP from Phulpur &#171; Kafila on UP&#8217;s Dalits Remind Mayawati: Democracy is a&#160;Beautiful [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Why Rahul Gandhi&#8217;s Congress flopped in Uttar Pradesh &#171; Kafila</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Why Rahul Gandhi&#8217;s Congress flopped in Uttar Pradesh &#171; Kafila]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2012 13:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Seeing UP from Phulpur &#171; Kafila</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Seeing UP from Phulpur &#171; Kafila]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2012 13:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: मायावती जी के मुख्यमंत्रित्व काल का एक संक्षिप्त विवरण: राम कुमार &#171; Kafila</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2012 07:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: A Election in Sarvajan Samaj &#171; Kafila</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A Election in Sarvajan Samaj &#171; Kafila]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 18:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: उत्तर प्रदेश चुनाव 2012 और पसमांदा मुस्लिम समाज &#171; Kafila</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 18:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: The untold stories of a political process &#171; Kafila</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The untold stories of a political process &#171; Kafila]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 17:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: kumarpushp</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 12:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Nikhil ,  Maywati never said that donot use computer or english,none of BSP workers wear dhoti or kurta,this is OBcs clan who are asking for hindi , hindu,hindustan,you have to destroy the hinduism from the earth which is bad for dalits and other minorities .Hinduism is giving  only cow shits and her urine which ,all hindus are drinking and behaving mad like their gods and godeses.If you want to India to succedes then you have to annhilate the hinduism from the earth first.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Nikhil ,  Maywati never said that donot use computer or english,none of BSP workers wear dhoti or kurta,this is OBcs clan who are asking for hindi , hindu,hindustan,you have to destroy the hinduism from the earth which is bad for dalits and other minorities .Hinduism is giving  only cow shits and her urine which ,all hindus are drinking and behaving mad like their gods and godeses.If you want to India to succedes then you have to annhilate the hinduism from the earth first.</p>
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		<title>By: Nikhil</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nikhil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 09:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[moral of the story building memorials and own statues do not win votes. Development at the ground level does that. Caste based politcs have de generated to a level, where these parties had decided that they will come to power just by harping on caste lines and spewing venom at all and sundry.. i hope they wake up and provide policies for actual upliftment of the masses than building statues and calling for abolishing english and computers....that is the attitude that needs to be destroyed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>moral of the story building memorials and own statues do not win votes. Development at the ground level does that. Caste based politcs have de generated to a level, where these parties had decided that they will come to power just by harping on caste lines and spewing venom at all and sundry.. i hope they wake up and provide policies for actual upliftment of the masses than building statues and calling for abolishing english and computers&#8230;.that is the attitude that needs to be destroyed.</p>
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		<title>By: kumarpushp</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kumarpushp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 19:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Bhim mayrya,you are telling that mayawati had appointed the RSS worker as teacher which is totally nonsense.Hindus are born enemy of dalits ,How dalits can forget hindu god rama who had killed dalit shmbukha.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Bhim mayrya,you are telling that mayawati had appointed the RSS worker as teacher which is totally nonsense.Hindus are born enemy of dalits ,How dalits can forget hindu god rama who had killed dalit shmbukha.</p>
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		<title>By: C . L . CHUMBER</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[C . L . CHUMBER]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 11:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am very much impressed by this conclusion ,&quot; But UP’s Dalits knew she was flying too far and fast. They didn’t want to lose her to Delhi. But more on that later. &quot; 

Ms Mayawati is due to  Saheb Kanshi Ram ji . She killed her Saheb with the conievence of the entire parliament , political parties and the judiciary . Neither any member of the both houses of the parliament or any political party head issued any statement regarding this . Once Mr. Paswan criticized Ms mayawati at Jalandhar but he did nothing to get him released from the Mayawat Jail at Hamanyu Road , New Delhi !

The manuwadis honoured her by voting her in the U.P. assembly election 2007 . Now Mayawati  criticize the Congress as well as extend support to the congress government at centre ! What an irony !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am very much impressed by this conclusion ,&#8221; But UP’s Dalits knew she was flying too far and fast. They didn’t want to lose her to Delhi. But more on that later. &#8221; </p>
<p>Ms Mayawati is due to  Saheb Kanshi Ram ji . She killed her Saheb with the conievence of the entire parliament , political parties and the judiciary . Neither any member of the both houses of the parliament or any political party head issued any statement regarding this . Once Mr. Paswan criticized Ms mayawati at Jalandhar but he did nothing to get him released from the Mayawat Jail at Hamanyu Road , New Delhi !</p>
<p>The manuwadis honoured her by voting her in the U.P. assembly election 2007 . Now Mayawati  criticize the Congress as well as extend support to the congress government at centre ! What an irony !</p>
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		<title>By: bhim mauraya</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bhim mauraya]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 05:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Shivam,
Thanks for the response.
In the 1980s, when Bhaglpur, Hashimpura, Delhi, Nelie, Moradabad etc massacres took place under the Congress rule, BSP did not exist. Yes DS4 and Kanshi Ram were around but they were non players at that time. So is BSP wasn’t there how could it have organized the violence. Subsequently in 1990s, Mayawati formed a coalition government with the fascist BJP and RSS on several occasions in UP. She facilitated recruitment of large number of RSS cadre at local level in sectors like school teachers, police officers, medical workers and karamcharis. This was one of the most damaging things Mayawati has done. Building statues and celebrating birthday is political circus but helping RSS is not. Supporting Modi in Gujarat was in line with that. Now you can’t fool people around when these fact are out there in open for everyone to see. But I guess you would still like to believe she is secular and the minorities can depend on her for protection.
As regards your point of transfers of police officers and cooperative heads, its obvious that she did it not do it for the love of good administration but because they did not assist her in winning last elections. This is making a mockery of democracy. Indian democracy has many shortcomings and but it is authoritarian and power hungry politicians like Mayawati who are out to destroy it in a hurry. By the way, some “radical” supporters of Mayawati dismiss Indian constitution as a farce and democracy a sham. They would be thankful to Mayawati for facilitating their cynicism!
Some of us thought that it is a dangerous trend that there is such an uncritical support for politicians like Mayawati by self-styled urban radicals, who do this to massage their own ego. However, the Indian electorate, which is by and large “poor”, rural and “uneducated” has taught a lesson to the Krarats and the Mayawati’s!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Shivam,<br />
Thanks for the response.<br />
In the 1980s, when Bhaglpur, Hashimpura, Delhi, Nelie, Moradabad etc massacres took place under the Congress rule, BSP did not exist. Yes DS4 and Kanshi Ram were around but they were non players at that time. So is BSP wasn’t there how could it have organized the violence. Subsequently in 1990s, Mayawati formed a coalition government with the fascist BJP and RSS on several occasions in UP. She facilitated recruitment of large number of RSS cadre at local level in sectors like school teachers, police officers, medical workers and karamcharis. This was one of the most damaging things Mayawati has done. Building statues and celebrating birthday is political circus but helping RSS is not. Supporting Modi in Gujarat was in line with that. Now you can’t fool people around when these fact are out there in open for everyone to see. But I guess you would still like to believe she is secular and the minorities can depend on her for protection.<br />
As regards your point of transfers of police officers and cooperative heads, its obvious that she did it not do it for the love of good administration but because they did not assist her in winning last elections. This is making a mockery of democracy. Indian democracy has many shortcomings and but it is authoritarian and power hungry politicians like Mayawati who are out to destroy it in a hurry. By the way, some “radical” supporters of Mayawati dismiss Indian constitution as a farce and democracy a sham. They would be thankful to Mayawati for facilitating their cynicism!<br />
Some of us thought that it is a dangerous trend that there is such an uncritical support for politicians like Mayawati by self-styled urban radicals, who do this to massage their own ego. However, the Indian electorate, which is by and large “poor”, rural and “uneducated” has taught a lesson to the Krarats and the Mayawati’s!</p>
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		<title>By: Qalandar</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 13:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Those who expect Mayawati to be some kind of political saint -- and then criticize her when she isn&#039;t that way -- must answer the question why the bar is set so high for her and not for others.  I might add that, where the media is concerned, there is ample evidence of a class (i.e. not caste) bias too, where &quot;English-medium&quot; politicians always get softer media coverage (fawning in the case of Rahul Gandhi), whereas others don&#039;t get the same solicitude.  The point isn&#039;t that Mayawati is or ought to be above reproach (the BSP seems to be more interested in coming to power and capturing the bureaucracy rather than engage in the sort of sweeping agenda that is cultural, not just political, and can hope to be transformative), or that Rahul Gandhi is or isn&#039;t a decent chap -- the point is that the luxury of this wholesomeness is a function of privilege.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those who expect Mayawati to be some kind of political saint &#8212; and then criticize her when she isn&#8217;t that way &#8212; must answer the question why the bar is set so high for her and not for others.  I might add that, where the media is concerned, there is ample evidence of a class (i.e. not caste) bias too, where &#8220;English-medium&#8221; politicians always get softer media coverage (fawning in the case of Rahul Gandhi), whereas others don&#8217;t get the same solicitude.  The point isn&#8217;t that Mayawati is or ought to be above reproach (the BSP seems to be more interested in coming to power and capturing the bureaucracy rather than engage in the sort of sweeping agenda that is cultural, not just political, and can hope to be transformative), or that Rahul Gandhi is or isn&#8217;t a decent chap &#8212; the point is that the luxury of this wholesomeness is a function of privilege.</p>
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		<title>By: Shivam Vij</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shivam Vij]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 11:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#039;s much else in the post apart from the survey, Radhika.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s much else in the post apart from the survey, Radhika.</p>
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		<title>By: Shivam Vij</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shivam Vij]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 11:01:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Exactly my thoughts. But I&#039;ve addressed this in my post - I think what she&#039;s saying is that her Varun Gandhi gamble didn&#039;t pay off, that she thought she&#039;ll attract the Muslim vote running away from Congress, and she realises she has some BJP taint-paint on her, and has thus declared for the first time ever that she&#039;ll never ally with communal forces.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly my thoughts. But I&#8217;ve addressed this in my post &#8211; I think what she&#8217;s saying is that her Varun Gandhi gamble didn&#8217;t pay off, that she thought she&#8217;ll attract the Muslim vote running away from Congress, and she realises she has some BJP taint-paint on her, and has thus declared for the first time ever that she&#8217;ll never ally with communal forces.</p>
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		<title>By: Shivam Vij</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shivam Vij]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 10:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, BJP Cong have always performed better in LS polls than in VS. Voters do make this distinction, but only somewhat]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, BJP Cong have always performed better in LS polls than in VS. Voters do make this distinction, but only somewhat</p>
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		<title>By: Shivam Vij</title>
		<link>http://kafila.org/2009/05/21/ups-dalits-remind-mayawati-democracy-is-a-beautiful-thing/#comment-6052</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shivam Vij]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 10:56:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bhim Maurya ji, 
Mayawati has ordered that Dalit violence be &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hindu.com/2009/05/27/stories/2009052756581800.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;addressed immediately&lt;/a&gt;. 
Can you let me know your views on this?

You talk about 1984 and Bhagalpur. Can you tell me one incident where the BSP has used violence to mobilise votes? Every other party, with exceptions like RJD and NCP, have done this. But BSP hasn&#039;t. Can you tell me your views on this?

As for Mayawati campaigning for Modi, and blaming Muslims, it&#039;s all addressed in my post above which I&#039;m sure you haven&#039;t read.

As for the transfers, I see nothing wrong with it. If on the basis of results she has feedback that administrative and police heads in some districts are not doing their job well and people are fed up of them, what&#039;s wrong about transferring them? Is the Constitution being violated here?

You write, &quot;Because then it will mean she is no different.&quot; I ask, why do you expect Behenji to be different? Why do all Mayawati baiters always ask her to be all-clean, all-perfect Mahatma Gandhi (so to speak, the irony was unintended!) As a politician Mayawati is but naturally the product of the political context of Uttar Pradesh and India. A political context and culture which the mai-baap Kangress Partie has contributed to more than anyone else...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bhim Maurya ji,<br />
Mayawati has ordered that Dalit violence be <a href="http://www.hindu.com/2009/05/27/stories/2009052756581800.htm" rel="nofollow">addressed immediately</a>.<br />
Can you let me know your views on this?</p>
<p>You talk about 1984 and Bhagalpur. Can you tell me one incident where the BSP has used violence to mobilise votes? Every other party, with exceptions like RJD and NCP, have done this. But BSP hasn&#8217;t. Can you tell me your views on this?</p>
<p>As for Mayawati campaigning for Modi, and blaming Muslims, it&#8217;s all addressed in my post above which I&#8217;m sure you haven&#8217;t read.</p>
<p>As for the transfers, I see nothing wrong with it. If on the basis of results she has feedback that administrative and police heads in some districts are not doing their job well and people are fed up of them, what&#8217;s wrong about transferring them? Is the Constitution being violated here?</p>
<p>You write, &#8220;Because then it will mean she is no different.&#8221; I ask, why do you expect Behenji to be different? Why do all Mayawati baiters always ask her to be all-clean, all-perfect Mahatma Gandhi (so to speak, the irony was unintended!) As a politician Mayawati is but naturally the product of the political context of Uttar Pradesh and India. A political context and culture which the mai-baap Kangress Partie has contributed to more than anyone else&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Shivam Vij</title>
		<link>http://kafila.org/2009/05/21/ups-dalits-remind-mayawati-democracy-is-a-beautiful-thing/#comment-6050</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shivam Vij]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 10:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If of the 17 Dalit candidates 14 lost, is it the fault of the 5 of 20 Brahmin candidates who won? Though I still agree about the need to renomenclature - it should be Sarvajan Samaj Party now]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If of the 17 Dalit candidates 14 lost, is it the fault of the 5 of 20 Brahmin candidates who won? Though I still agree about the need to renomenclature &#8211; it should be Sarvajan Samaj Party now</p>
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		<title>By: Manoj Kumar</title>
		<link>http://kafila.org/2009/05/21/ups-dalits-remind-mayawati-democracy-is-a-beautiful-thing/#comment-6047</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Manoj Kumar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 09:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Out of the 20 MPs of BSP - only 3 are dalits and 5 of them are Brahmins. BSP should be renamed as Brahmin Samaj Party.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Out of the 20 MPs of BSP &#8211; only 3 are dalits and 5 of them are Brahmins. BSP should be renamed as Brahmin Samaj Party.</p>
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		<title>By: Qalandar</title>
		<link>http://kafila.org/2009/05/21/ups-dalits-remind-mayawati-democracy-is-a-beautiful-thing/#comment-6044</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Qalandar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 04:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One thing confused me about this piece: when you say that Mayawati is blaming Muslims, you also posit the factual support for her belief, but you don&#039;t address why she is saying this, i.e. what political end is served by this sort of assignment of responsibility?  Is her point that Muslims have been more resistant to the call of Dalit-BahujanISM (I had written a post some years ago arguing for greater receptivity: http://qalandari.blogspot.com/2005/08/muslims-dalit-bahujans.html; and of course activists like Ejaz Ali have long been working to mobilize Muslims in that way: http://www.indianet.nl/dalmusl.html)?  But as you note, that&#039;s an odd point to make at the very moment that you are drawing more Muslim votes than ever before...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing confused me about this piece: when you say that Mayawati is blaming Muslims, you also posit the factual support for her belief, but you don&#8217;t address why she is saying this, i.e. what political end is served by this sort of assignment of responsibility?  Is her point that Muslims have been more resistant to the call of Dalit-BahujanISM (I had written a post some years ago arguing for greater receptivity: <a href="http://qalandari.blogspot.com/2005/08/muslims-dalit-bahujans.html" rel="nofollow">http://qalandari.blogspot.com/2005/08/muslims-dalit-bahujans.html</a>; and of course activists like Ejaz Ali have long been working to mobilize Muslims in that way: <a href="http://www.indianet.nl/dalmusl.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.indianet.nl/dalmusl.html</a>)?  But as you note, that&#8217;s an odd point to make at the very moment that you are drawing more Muslim votes than ever before&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Qalandar</title>
		<link>http://kafila.org/2009/05/21/ups-dalits-remind-mayawati-democracy-is-a-beautiful-thing/#comment-6043</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Qalandar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 04:38:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PS on my comment above, note that the source Shivam cites in his comment above itself claims &quot;It is important to note that the party receives greater support from voters who feel that the performance of the State government is more important than that of the Central government.&quot; -- which might suggest that voters could be voting differently in assembly and Lok Sabha elections.

Re: &quot;one should add RLD to BJP&quot;

According to The Hindu (http://www.hinduonnet.com/nic/howindiavoted2009/howindiavoted2009.htm), this combined figure is ~20%, way less than the BSP&#039;s 27.4% (see http://www.hinduonnet.com/nic/howindiavoted2009/page1.pdf)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS on my comment above, note that the source Shivam cites in his comment above itself claims &#8220;It is important to note that the party receives greater support from voters who feel that the performance of the State government is more important than that of the Central government.&#8221; &#8212; which might suggest that voters could be voting differently in assembly and Lok Sabha elections.</p>
<p>Re: &#8220;one should add RLD to BJP&#8221;</p>
<p>According to The Hindu (<a href="http://www.hinduonnet.com/nic/howindiavoted2009/howindiavoted2009.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.hinduonnet.com/nic/howindiavoted2009/howindiavoted2009.htm</a>), this combined figure is ~20%, way less than the BSP&#8217;s 27.4% (see <a href="http://www.hinduonnet.com/nic/howindiavoted2009/page1.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.hinduonnet.com/nic/howindiavoted2009/page1.pdf</a>)</p>
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		<title>By: Qalandar</title>
		<link>http://kafila.org/2009/05/21/ups-dalits-remind-mayawati-democracy-is-a-beautiful-thing/#comment-6042</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Qalandar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 04:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent piece, and much food for thought here.

One question: given that the BSP&#039;s vote share has actually increased vis-a-vis 2004 (albeit less than expected), and has only declined relative to the 2007 assembly elections, shouldn&#039;t we also see what the data is on whether or not voters tend to vote differently in assembly versus Lok Sabha elections?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent piece, and much food for thought here.</p>
<p>One question: given that the BSP&#8217;s vote share has actually increased vis-a-vis 2004 (albeit less than expected), and has only declined relative to the 2007 assembly elections, shouldn&#8217;t we also see what the data is on whether or not voters tend to vote differently in assembly versus Lok Sabha elections?</p>
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		<title>By: CSDS data on caste voting patterns in UP LS &#8216;09 elections &#171; Kafila</title>
		<link>http://kafila.org/2009/05/21/ups-dalits-remind-mayawati-democracy-is-a-beautiful-thing/#comment-6040</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CSDS data on caste voting patterns in UP LS &#8216;09 elections &#171; Kafila]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 11:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] data on caste voting patterns in UP LS &#8216;09&#160;elections    In my post a few days ago I had mentioned a survey who source I could not reveal, except that the BSP is [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] data on caste voting patterns in UP LS &#8216;09&nbsp;elections    In my post a few days ago I had mentioned a survey who source I could not reveal, except that the BSP is [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Shivam Vij</title>
		<link>http://kafila.org/2009/05/21/ups-dalits-remind-mayawati-democracy-is-a-beautiful-thing/#comment-6039</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shivam Vij]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 May 2009 09:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A CSDS report in &lt;em&gt;The Hindu &lt;/em&gt;today says:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The other major limitation is its dependence on Dalit votes. The NES 2009 data suggests that the party draws a majority of its voters from Dalits — 52 per cent all over the country and 55 per cent in U.P. Nationwide, only about three to four per cent of the upper castes, peasant proprietor castes and Other Backward Castes voted for the BSP. Its support levels among the Scheduled Tribes were two per cent and among Muslims seven per cent. This time, the BSP secured a
quarter of the Dalit vote in the country, just five percentage points behind the Congress. But a disproportionate amount of the BSP’s Dalit votes is confined to the Jatav community to which Ms. Mayawati belongs. 

There may be a third and somewhat hidden limitation of the BSP. About a quarter of BSP voters said their main consideration was that people of their caste or community supported the party. Only five per cent of respondents said they expected to benefit from the party coming to power and only 12 per cent voted for it because they felt its overall programme was good. It is important to note that the party receives greater support from voters who feel that the performance of the State government is more important than that of the Central government. While the party’s non-Dalit voters are unhappy about its nonperformance on the development front, &lt;strong&gt;Dalit supporters are also beginning to be resentful: 46 per cent of Dalits believe Ms. Mayawati has ignored their aspirations&lt;/strong&gt; by promoting Brahmins and upper castes. As the BSP makes a transition from the politics of ‘bahujan samaj’ to that of ‘sarvajan samaj’ and looks for the ‘plus vote,’ it would do well to address some of these anxieties.
[&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hinduonnet.com/nic/howindiavoted2009/page3.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Link&lt;/a&gt; - .pdf]&lt;/blockquote&gt;

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A CSDS report in <em>The Hindu </em>today says:</p>
<blockquote><p>The other major limitation is its dependence on Dalit votes. The NES 2009 data suggests that the party draws a majority of its voters from Dalits — 52 per cent all over the country and 55 per cent in U.P. Nationwide, only about three to four per cent of the upper castes, peasant proprietor castes and Other Backward Castes voted for the BSP. Its support levels among the Scheduled Tribes were two per cent and among Muslims seven per cent. This time, the BSP secured a<br />
quarter of the Dalit vote in the country, just five percentage points behind the Congress. But a disproportionate amount of the BSP’s Dalit votes is confined to the Jatav community to which Ms. Mayawati belongs. </p>
<p>There may be a third and somewhat hidden limitation of the BSP. About a quarter of BSP voters said their main consideration was that people of their caste or community supported the party. Only five per cent of respondents said they expected to benefit from the party coming to power and only 12 per cent voted for it because they felt its overall programme was good. It is important to note that the party receives greater support from voters who feel that the performance of the State government is more important than that of the Central government. While the party’s non-Dalit voters are unhappy about its nonperformance on the development front, <strong>Dalit supporters are also beginning to be resentful: 46 per cent of Dalits believe Ms. Mayawati has ignored their aspirations</strong> by promoting Brahmins and upper castes. As the BSP makes a transition from the politics of ‘bahujan samaj’ to that of ‘sarvajan samaj’ and looks for the ‘plus vote,’ it would do well to address some of these anxieties.<br />
[<a href="http://www.hinduonnet.com/nic/howindiavoted2009/page3.pdf" rel="nofollow">Link</a> - .pdf]</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: bhim mauraya</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bhim mauraya]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 18:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Shivam
Thanks for the response. I would like to know your views on the recent transfers that bheneji did in UP administration. Several IPS, DM and Cooperatives head were shunted out. Don&#039;t say that Cong, CPM and BJP have also indulge in such corrupt political practices.  Because then it will mean she is no different. 
As regards your point that
 &quot;I think your suggestion that Dalits should vote Congress is dangerous, feudal and avoidable! Your points about CBP are irrelevant to my post above.&quot;
Let me remind you that power hungry opportunists like Behenji have addressed meetings with Narendra Modi and alligned with BJP in past. Her statement that Muslims did not vote for her also is an indication of her secular credentials. (I know you will remind us of 1984, maliana, bhagalpur riot and say cong also did it.). So again behenji is not different. 
It would be good to know your views.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shivam<br />
Thanks for the response. I would like to know your views on the recent transfers that bheneji did in UP administration. Several IPS, DM and Cooperatives head were shunted out. Don&#8217;t say that Cong, CPM and BJP have also indulge in such corrupt political practices.  Because then it will mean she is no different.<br />
As regards your point that<br />
 &#8220;I think your suggestion that Dalits should vote Congress is dangerous, feudal and avoidable! Your points about CBP are irrelevant to my post above.&#8221;<br />
Let me remind you that power hungry opportunists like Behenji have addressed meetings with Narendra Modi and alligned with BJP in past. Her statement that Muslims did not vote for her also is an indication of her secular credentials. (I know you will remind us of 1984, maliana, bhagalpur riot and say cong also did it.). So again behenji is not different.<br />
It would be good to know your views.</p>
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		<title>By: radhika</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[radhika]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 17:04:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[an interesting post shivam. pity you can&#039;t reveal the  source of the survey which is central to your piece. it does get quite tricky to comment on a survey  and its analysis without examining its methodology.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>an interesting post shivam. pity you can&#8217;t reveal the  source of the survey which is central to your piece. it does get quite tricky to comment on a survey  and its analysis without examining its methodology.</p>
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		<title>By: Prabin</title>
		<link>http://kafila.org/2009/05/21/ups-dalits-remind-mayawati-democracy-is-a-beautiful-thing/#comment-5982</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Prabin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 15:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[em]But this statistic is of the votes Dalits cast. There is no way of ascertaining what per centage of Dalits who voted in 2007 did not come out to vote at all this time, but most in UP agree it must be around 25%.[/em]

Do you mean we cant know what percent of Dalit electorate cast their votes? and compare with that of 2007 election? Without that any analysis of Dalit votes will be inconclusive.

[em]The CSDS survey had said that the BSP got 17% Brahmin votes in 2007, contrary to the hungama about the Dalit-Brahmin alliance made by the media and soem self-styled Dalit intellectuals. This time, the Brahmin votes dipped to 15%.[/em]

If you normalise it for increase in number of Brahmin-BSP candidates (86/403--2007 to 20/80--2000) I think the margin will be higher.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[em]But this statistic is of the votes Dalits cast. There is no way of ascertaining what per centage of Dalits who voted in 2007 did not come out to vote at all this time, but most in UP agree it must be around 25%.[/em]</p>
<p>Do you mean we cant know what percent of Dalit electorate cast their votes? and compare with that of 2007 election? Without that any analysis of Dalit votes will be inconclusive.</p>
<p>[em]The CSDS survey had said that the BSP got 17% Brahmin votes in 2007, contrary to the hungama about the Dalit-Brahmin alliance made by the media and soem self-styled Dalit intellectuals. This time, the Brahmin votes dipped to 15%.[/em]</p>
<p>If you normalise it for increase in number of Brahmin-BSP candidates (86/403&#8211;2007 to 20/80&#8211;2000) I think the margin will be higher.</p>
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