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	<title>Comments on: Open Letter to Noam Chomsky: Nirmalangshu Mukherjee</title>
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		<title>By: render</title>
		<link>http://kafila.org/2009/10/21/open-letter-to-noam-chomsky-nirmalangshu-mukherjee/#comment-8181</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Dec 2009 21:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nirmalangshu says:

&quot;For example, apart from the name, I did not even know who were the organisers and how to reach them&quot;

and within a few lines, he writes -

&quot;These are not the people open to any debates; they would have simply suppressed my objections and leave matters at that.&quot;

That&#039;s knowing quite a bit about an organisation, even without knowing who they are!!

What steals the show is this though -

&quot;Instead–I am aware–they have been campaigning behind my back to influence your opinion about my political standing. This is consistent with the secret, sectarian politics they advocate.&quot;

Again, who&#039;d have thought that one might know so much about an organisation, about whom one knows nothing about! And no sir, it just does not end here. This is dated Dec. 22nd. Chomsky&#039;s letter which apparently is a result of such behind the scene secret underground workings is dated 17th December. But lo and behold! One such example of working is post dated - a letter from G.N. Saibaba - dated 23rd December! Chomsky&#039;s liguistic expertise is now reaching new heights in telepathic communications, apparently.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nirmalangshu says:</p>
<p>&#8220;For example, apart from the name, I did not even know who were the organisers and how to reach them&#8221;</p>
<p>and within a few lines, he writes -</p>
<p>&#8220;These are not the people open to any debates; they would have simply suppressed my objections and leave matters at that.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s knowing quite a bit about an organisation, even without knowing who they are!!</p>
<p>What steals the show is this though -</p>
<p>&#8220;Instead–I am aware–they have been campaigning behind my back to influence your opinion about my political standing. This is consistent with the secret, sectarian politics they advocate.&#8221;</p>
<p>Again, who&#8217;d have thought that one might know so much about an organisation, about whom one knows nothing about! And no sir, it just does not end here. This is dated Dec. 22nd. Chomsky&#8217;s letter which apparently is a result of such behind the scene secret underground workings is dated 17th December. But lo and behold! One such example of working is post dated &#8211; a letter from G.N. Saibaba &#8211; dated 23rd December! Chomsky&#8217;s liguistic expertise is now reaching new heights in telepathic communications, apparently.</p>
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		<title>By: Nirmalangshu</title>
		<link>http://kafila.org/2009/10/21/open-letter-to-noam-chomsky-nirmalangshu-mukherjee/#comment-8172</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Dec 2009 06:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One example of behind the back:

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Saibaba G N 
To: paresh.wid.a.c@gmail.com ; bhumika.chauhan@gmail.com ; ravi_goel2001@yahoo.com ; pushpam. delhi ; prakash pathik ; abhijeetphartiyal ; editor_revdem@rediffmail.com ; khals_umar@hotmail.com ; hany babu ; karengabriel 
Cc: Rona Wilson ; ajayrdf@gmail.com ; Ritupan Goswami ; Shoma ; Prof.Manoranjan Mohanty 
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 11:30 AM
Subject: Fwd: Open letter to Noam Chomsky


Dear friends,
Please see the forwarded mail.
I don&#039;t think Noam Chomsky had singed the sanhati petition without knowing
the ground situation at present in India.He is aware of the developments in India.  In any case, Sanhati also circulated
a background note along with the note. My friend, Nirmalanghu Mukherjee at our University
strangely wrote to spread misinformation.

You can mail your concern about Nirmalagnshu&#039;s open letter to Noam Chomsky

the mailing address and email and other contact info for Noam Chomsky is listed here:
Noam Chomsky
Institute Professor &amp; Professor of Linguistics (Emeritus)

Mailing Address:
MIT Linguistics and Philosophy
77 Massachusetts Avenue, 32-D808
Cambridge, MA 02139
USA
Office Number: 32-D840 
email: chomsky@mit.edu
tel: 617-253-7819

Saibaba
A teacher at the University of Delhi]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One example of behind the back:</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211; Original Message &#8212;&#8211;<br />
From: Saibaba G N<br />
To: <a href="mailto:paresh.wid.a.c@gmail.com">paresh.wid.a.c@gmail.com</a> ; <a href="mailto:bhumika.chauhan@gmail.com">bhumika.chauhan@gmail.com</a> ; <a href="mailto:ravi_goel2001@yahoo.com">ravi_goel2001@yahoo.com</a> ; pushpam. delhi ; prakash pathik ; abhijeetphartiyal ; <a href="mailto:editor_revdem@rediffmail.com">editor_revdem@rediffmail.com</a> ; <a href="mailto:khals_umar@hotmail.com">khals_umar@hotmail.com</a> ; hany babu ; karengabriel<br />
Cc: Rona Wilson ; <a href="mailto:ajayrdf@gmail.com">ajayrdf@gmail.com</a> ; Ritupan Goswami ; Shoma ; Prof.Manoranjan Mohanty<br />
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 11:30 AM<br />
Subject: Fwd: Open letter to Noam Chomsky</p>
<p>Dear friends,<br />
Please see the forwarded mail.<br />
I don&#8217;t think Noam Chomsky had singed the sanhati petition without knowing<br />
the ground situation at present in India.He is aware of the developments in India.  In any case, Sanhati also circulated<br />
a background note along with the note. My friend, Nirmalanghu Mukherjee at our University<br />
strangely wrote to spread misinformation.</p>
<p>You can mail your concern about Nirmalagnshu&#8217;s open letter to Noam Chomsky</p>
<p>the mailing address and email and other contact info for Noam Chomsky is listed here:<br />
Noam Chomsky<br />
Institute Professor &amp; Professor of Linguistics (Emeritus)</p>
<p>Mailing Address:<br />
MIT Linguistics and Philosophy<br />
77 Massachusetts Avenue, 32-D808<br />
Cambridge, MA 02139<br />
USA<br />
Office Number: 32-D840<br />
email: <a href="mailto:chomsky@mit.edu">chomsky@mit.edu</a><br />
tel: 617-253-7819</p>
<p>Saibaba<br />
A teacher at the University of Delhi</p>
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		<title>By: keddy</title>
		<link>http://kafila.org/2009/10/21/open-letter-to-noam-chomsky-nirmalangshu-mukherjee/#comment-8171</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 20:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;For example, apart from the name, I did not even know who were the organisers and how to reach them.&quot; yeah! Nirmalangshu definitely did not know that Sanhati was the organiser. Well now that he knows, is it too late??
And someone please post how to reach the people behind sanhati.com

&quot;...these people never came out with anything like a systematic response&quot;
all the posts and Nirmalangshu&#039;s duckings are not enough of a response, that he still needs a systemic response from the people he &quot;could not reach&quot;?

&quot;These are not the people open to any debates; they would have simply suppressed my objections and leave matters at that.&quot;
Does he mean that the organisers are all Maoists??

&quot;It is quite amazing how a single letter sent to a few dozen friends by e-mail had reached the mainstream media as well such that BIG newspapers and ELITE websites have been asking me for write-ups (one attached). Needless to say, it is your name that led to this scale of exposure.&quot;
I&#039;m drooling, can I have the &quot;one attached&quot;!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;For example, apart from the name, I did not even know who were the organisers and how to reach them.&#8221; yeah! Nirmalangshu definitely did not know that Sanhati was the organiser. Well now that he knows, is it too late??<br />
And someone please post how to reach the people behind sanhati.com</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;these people never came out with anything like a systematic response&#8221;<br />
all the posts and Nirmalangshu&#8217;s duckings are not enough of a response, that he still needs a systemic response from the people he &#8220;could not reach&#8221;?</p>
<p>&#8220;These are not the people open to any debates; they would have simply suppressed my objections and leave matters at that.&#8221;<br />
Does he mean that the organisers are all Maoists??</p>
<p>&#8220;It is quite amazing how a single letter sent to a few dozen friends by e-mail had reached the mainstream media as well such that BIG newspapers and ELITE websites have been asking me for write-ups (one attached). Needless to say, it is your name that led to this scale of exposure.&#8221;<br />
I&#8217;m drooling, can I have the &#8220;one attached&#8221;!!</p>
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		<title>By: robin</title>
		<link>http://kafila.org/2009/10/21/open-letter-to-noam-chomsky-nirmalangshu-mukherjee/#comment-8168</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[robin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;In this specific case, it is not clear what would have been achieved if I wrote to the organisers. These are not the people open to any debates; they would have simply suppressed my objections and leave matters at that. In fact, after a huge uproar following the Open Letter, these people never came out with anything like a systematic response. Instead–I am aware–they have been campaigning behind my back to influence your opinion about my political standing. This is consistent with the secret, sectarian politics they advocate.&quot;  

Who are the organisers ?  Can you tell us ? How can we know whether they advocate secret, sectarian politics ?

It seems  that Nirmalangshu is attempting to &quot;oil&quot; Chomsky.  Contrary to his claims, most readers have been severely critical of his attempt at slandering the &quot;organisers&quot;.  Three months have passed since the letter. We are yet to see any nice things being written about Nirmalangshu&#039;s noble role in this matter.  Only thing we can infer from this mail is his attempt at self-aggrandizement which we can say is surely delusional.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In this specific case, it is not clear what would have been achieved if I wrote to the organisers. These are not the people open to any debates; they would have simply suppressed my objections and leave matters at that. In fact, after a huge uproar following the Open Letter, these people never came out with anything like a systematic response. Instead–I am aware–they have been campaigning behind my back to influence your opinion about my political standing. This is consistent with the secret, sectarian politics they advocate.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Who are the organisers ?  Can you tell us ? How can we know whether they advocate secret, sectarian politics ?</p>
<p>It seems  that Nirmalangshu is attempting to &#8220;oil&#8221; Chomsky.  Contrary to his claims, most readers have been severely critical of his attempt at slandering the &#8220;organisers&#8221;.  Three months have passed since the letter. We are yet to see any nice things being written about Nirmalangshu&#8217;s noble role in this matter.  Only thing we can infer from this mail is his attempt at self-aggrandizement which we can say is surely delusional.</p>
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		<title>By: Nirmalangshu</title>
		<link>http://kafila.org/2009/10/21/open-letter-to-noam-chomsky-nirmalangshu-mukherjee/#comment-8167</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nirmalangshu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Dec 2009 13:52:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s my response (to Chomsky).

Dear Noam,

I have been informed of the following response from you to one Vijayan:

From: Noam Chomsky
Reply to: “R. Vijayan” rvijayan.vijayan@gmail.com
Date: Dec 17, 2009 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: AN OPEN LETTER TO NOAM CHOMSKY
Mailed by: Mit. Edu

I received the letter directly from Mr. Mukherjee, we corresponded about it, and I believe he agrees that there is no point sending it to one of the signers of the petition but that it should be directed to the organizers. As in the case of all petitions on human and civil rights, there was debate among those close to the situation about what to include and what to omit, and a compromise was reached. Then others, like me, remote from the situation, signed when the basic drift seemed acceptable and those who initiated it trustworthy.

There is no necessary action on my part.

NC

As a matter of fact, I do not quite agree that my response should have been directed to the organisers rather than to the signers of a petition. Although I understand the practical difficulties of those signing &quot;remotely&quot;, formally, having signed a petition, the signers own the responsibility for its content. No doubt it is for the organisers to present an honest and truthful view of things, but they are often not the public face of a petition. For example, apart from the name, I did not even know who were the organisers and how to reach them.

In this specific case, it is not clear what would have been achieved if I wrote to the organisers. These are not the people open to any debates; they would have simply suppressed my objections and leave matters at that. In fact, after a huge uproar following the Open Letter, these people never came out with anything like a systematic response. Instead--I am aware--they have been campaigning behind my back to influence your opinion about my political standing. This is consistent with the secret, sectarian politics they advocate.

Personal squabbles apart, the letter did have the desired result of initiating a debate on the crucial role of &#039;maoist&#039; politics in people&#039;s movements after over three decades of slumber. Both the state and the &#039;maoist&#039; propaganda are at a visibly lower ebb; many left of CPM groupings are now openly writing against &#039;maoist&#039; politics and its disasterous effects on broad people&#039;s movements. It is quite amazing how a single letter sent to a few dozen friends by e-mail had reached the mainstream media as well such that big newspapers and elite websites have been asking me for write-ups (one attached). Needless to say, it is your name that led to this scale of exposure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s my response (to Chomsky).</p>
<p>Dear Noam,</p>
<p>I have been informed of the following response from you to one Vijayan:</p>
<p>From: Noam Chomsky<br />
Reply to: “R. Vijayan” <a href="mailto:rvijayan.vijayan@gmail.com">rvijayan.vijayan@gmail.com</a><br />
Date: Dec 17, 2009 7:52 PM<br />
Subject: Re: AN OPEN LETTER TO NOAM CHOMSKY<br />
Mailed by: Mit. Edu</p>
<p>I received the letter directly from Mr. Mukherjee, we corresponded about it, and I believe he agrees that there is no point sending it to one of the signers of the petition but that it should be directed to the organizers. As in the case of all petitions on human and civil rights, there was debate among those close to the situation about what to include and what to omit, and a compromise was reached. Then others, like me, remote from the situation, signed when the basic drift seemed acceptable and those who initiated it trustworthy.</p>
<p>There is no necessary action on my part.</p>
<p>NC</p>
<p>As a matter of fact, I do not quite agree that my response should have been directed to the organisers rather than to the signers of a petition. Although I understand the practical difficulties of those signing &#8220;remotely&#8221;, formally, having signed a petition, the signers own the responsibility for its content. No doubt it is for the organisers to present an honest and truthful view of things, but they are often not the public face of a petition. For example, apart from the name, I did not even know who were the organisers and how to reach them.</p>
<p>In this specific case, it is not clear what would have been achieved if I wrote to the organisers. These are not the people open to any debates; they would have simply suppressed my objections and leave matters at that. In fact, after a huge uproar following the Open Letter, these people never came out with anything like a systematic response. Instead&#8211;I am aware&#8211;they have been campaigning behind my back to influence your opinion about my political standing. This is consistent with the secret, sectarian politics they advocate.</p>
<p>Personal squabbles apart, the letter did have the desired result of initiating a debate on the crucial role of &#8216;maoist&#8217; politics in people&#8217;s movements after over three decades of slumber. Both the state and the &#8216;maoist&#8217; propaganda are at a visibly lower ebb; many left of CPM groupings are now openly writing against &#8216;maoist&#8217; politics and its disasterous effects on broad people&#8217;s movements. It is quite amazing how a single letter sent to a few dozen friends by e-mail had reached the mainstream media as well such that big newspapers and elite websites have been asking me for write-ups (one attached). Needless to say, it is your name that led to this scale of exposure.</p>
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		<title>By: hacker</title>
		<link>http://kafila.org/2009/10/21/open-letter-to-noam-chomsky-nirmalangshu-mukherjee/#comment-8152</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hacker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[has N chomsky&#039;s response been posted somewhere on this string. If not here it is

From: Noam Chomsky 
Reply to: &quot;R. Vijayan&quot; rvijayan.vijayan@gmail.com
Date: Dec 17, 2009 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: AN OPEN LETTER TO NOAM CHOMSKY
Mailed by: Mit. Edu

I received the letter directly from Mr. Mukherjee, we corresponded about it, and I believe he agrees that there is no point sending it to one of the signers of the petition but that it should be directed to the organizers. As in the case of all petitions on human and civil rights, there was debate among those close to the situation about what to include and what to omit, and a compromise was reached. Then others, like me, remote from the situation, signed when the basic drift seemed acceptable and those who initiated it trustworthy.

There is no necessary action on my part.

NC]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>has N chomsky&#8217;s response been posted somewhere on this string. If not here it is</p>
<p>From: Noam Chomsky<br />
Reply to: &#8220;R. Vijayan&#8221; <a href="mailto:rvijayan.vijayan@gmail.com">rvijayan.vijayan@gmail.com</a><br />
Date: Dec 17, 2009 7:52 PM<br />
Subject: Re: AN OPEN LETTER TO NOAM CHOMSKY<br />
Mailed by: Mit. Edu</p>
<p>I received the letter directly from Mr. Mukherjee, we corresponded about it, and I believe he agrees that there is no point sending it to one of the signers of the petition but that it should be directed to the organizers. As in the case of all petitions on human and civil rights, there was debate among those close to the situation about what to include and what to omit, and a compromise was reached. Then others, like me, remote from the situation, signed when the basic drift seemed acceptable and those who initiated it trustworthy.</p>
<p>There is no necessary action on my part.</p>
<p>NC</p>
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		<title>By: Nirmalangshu</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nirmalangshu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 07:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[About the suggested Trinamool-&#039;maoist&#039; alliance in Nandigram, it may be instructive to cite Sumanta Bannerjee, who, I hope is not seen as a part of CPI(M) bandwagon.

&quot;the Maoists seem to be following the age- 
old unprincipled doctrine of &quot;My enemy&#039;s enemy is my friend&quot;, and  
justifying it in the name of supporting self-determination of  
nationalities.

A similar expediency led the Maoists in West Bengal to get into  
underhand opportunist deals with the Trinamool Congress leader Mamata  
Banerjee (who is now the Railways Minister of the UPA government), to  
make use of popular discontent against CPI(M) gangsterism in  
Nandigram. This fact was revealed, in an unguarded moment, by the  
same Koteswar Rao in an interview with the Bengali TV Star Ananda  
channel sometime ago, where he expressed the hope that Mamata would  
protect his party from police persecution since it had supported her  
in the past!  need for introspection The basic debate therefore is  
not over poll boycott per se, but revolves around the Maoist  
leadership&#039;s ideological under- standing of the present overall  
Indian situation, and their moral integrity. Instead of recognising  
the various forms of struggles by which different sections of the op-  
pressed people try to exhaust the available democratic opportunities,  
and accommodating these forms in an inclusive programme of action,  
the CPI(Maoist) leaders in an immature overestimation of the Indian  
public mood are jumping the queue of options, and prioritising armed  
struggle as the sole means. In a further step of immaturity - which  
sad to say, also makes them morally culpable - they prefer to strike  
deals with ethno-chauvinist armed outfits, or opportunist politicians  
like Mamata Banerjee. It is these militarist priorities and political  
expediencies that are eroding the ideological commitment of their  
cadres. The latter (in West Bengal today in particular) seem to be  
degenerating into roving gangs of paranoid revengeful killers -  
recalling the dark days of the fratricidal warfare between the  
Naxalites and CPI(M) youth cadres in the 1970s. The party leadership  
does not seem to have any control over its cadres even in its own  
strongholds - as evident from the spokesperson&#039;s admission that &quot;the  
unfortunate attacks on poll officials (in Chhattisgarh) were an  
aberration...&quot;. (Economic and Political Weekly, 14 November 2009, CRITIQUING THE PROGRAMME OF ACTION OF THE MAOISTS, by Sumanta Banerjee)

The entire article is an eye-opener.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About the suggested Trinamool-&#8217;maoist&#8217; alliance in Nandigram, it may be instructive to cite Sumanta Bannerjee, who, I hope is not seen as a part of CPI(M) bandwagon.</p>
<p>&#8220;the Maoists seem to be following the age-<br />
old unprincipled doctrine of &#8220;My enemy&#8217;s enemy is my friend&#8221;, and<br />
justifying it in the name of supporting self-determination of<br />
nationalities.</p>
<p>A similar expediency led the Maoists in West Bengal to get into<br />
underhand opportunist deals with the Trinamool Congress leader Mamata<br />
Banerjee (who is now the Railways Minister of the UPA government), to<br />
make use of popular discontent against CPI(M) gangsterism in<br />
Nandigram. This fact was revealed, in an unguarded moment, by the<br />
same Koteswar Rao in an interview with the Bengali TV Star Ananda<br />
channel sometime ago, where he expressed the hope that Mamata would<br />
protect his party from police persecution since it had supported her<br />
in the past!  need for introspection The basic debate therefore is<br />
not over poll boycott per se, but revolves around the Maoist<br />
leadership&#8217;s ideological under- standing of the present overall<br />
Indian situation, and their moral integrity. Instead of recognising<br />
the various forms of struggles by which different sections of the op-<br />
pressed people try to exhaust the available democratic opportunities,<br />
and accommodating these forms in an inclusive programme of action,<br />
the CPI(Maoist) leaders in an immature overestimation of the Indian<br />
public mood are jumping the queue of options, and prioritising armed<br />
struggle as the sole means. In a further step of immaturity &#8211; which<br />
sad to say, also makes them morally culpable &#8211; they prefer to strike<br />
deals with ethno-chauvinist armed outfits, or opportunist politicians<br />
like Mamata Banerjee. It is these militarist priorities and political<br />
expediencies that are eroding the ideological commitment of their<br />
cadres. The latter (in West Bengal today in particular) seem to be<br />
degenerating into roving gangs of paranoid revengeful killers &#8211;<br />
recalling the dark days of the fratricidal warfare between the<br />
Naxalites and CPI(M) youth cadres in the 1970s. The party leadership<br />
does not seem to have any control over its cadres even in its own<br />
strongholds &#8211; as evident from the spokesperson&#8217;s admission that &#8220;the<br />
unfortunate attacks on poll officials (in Chhattisgarh) were an<br />
aberration&#8230;&#8221;. (Economic and Political Weekly, 14 November 2009, CRITIQUING THE PROGRAMME OF ACTION OF THE MAOISTS, by Sumanta Banerjee)</p>
<p>The entire article is an eye-opener.</p>
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		<title>By: Aditya Nigam</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aditya Nigam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 06:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Andaleeb, We appreciate comments and disagreements. Among Left blogs/websites, we are one of the few spaces where readers can directly come in and comment, even critically. But may we request you to make your own points rather than simply post articles as comments. You might want to use some extracts from them to make your point but we are sure you - or the authors whom you post - can make their points themselves.
Bijoy, these CPM-type canards do not work any longer. You would be better advised to keep them to yourself. The CPM&#039;s alliance with the UPA till sometime ago could not prevent its slide to disaster. During Nandigram and Singur, it was the CPM that raised the Maoist bogey, as well as of a TMC-Maoist alliance. In its arrogance, the CPM even branded - just like you do in your comment - even any friendly Left criticism as &#039;anti-Left&#039;, anti-communist etc. It might be better to get out of this frame of mind where all you can see is conspiracies - there is a popular rebellion against you; the sooner you recognize that the better.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andaleeb, We appreciate comments and disagreements. Among Left blogs/websites, we are one of the few spaces where readers can directly come in and comment, even critically. But may we request you to make your own points rather than simply post articles as comments. You might want to use some extracts from them to make your point but we are sure you &#8211; or the authors whom you post &#8211; can make their points themselves.<br />
Bijoy, these CPM-type canards do not work any longer. You would be better advised to keep them to yourself. The CPM&#8217;s alliance with the UPA till sometime ago could not prevent its slide to disaster. During Nandigram and Singur, it was the CPM that raised the Maoist bogey, as well as of a TMC-Maoist alliance. In its arrogance, the CPM even branded &#8211; just like you do in your comment &#8211; even any friendly Left criticism as &#8216;anti-Left&#8217;, anti-communist etc. It might be better to get out of this frame of mind where all you can see is conspiracies &#8211; there is a popular rebellion against you; the sooner you recognize that the better.</p>
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		<title>By: bijoy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bijoy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 02:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Any way, you guys dont need to worry. you have the radical intellectual in cabinet of Ministers to protect the interest of Maoists and other radical intellectualls in west bengal. So Chidambaram will not act against maoists. Maoists can keep on killing CPIM members and you guys along with other radical intellectual in Cabinet of ministers keep on condeming CPIM for state repression.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any way, you guys dont need to worry. you have the radical intellectual in cabinet of Ministers to protect the interest of Maoists and other radical intellectualls in west bengal. So Chidambaram will not act against maoists. Maoists can keep on killing CPIM members and you guys along with other radical intellectual in Cabinet of ministers keep on condeming CPIM for state repression.</p>
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		<title>By: countermiao</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[countermiao]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[there is no disagreement with miao. it works both ways and should produce some effects in the real world. otherwise such soulsearching is of no use.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there is no disagreement with miao. it works both ways and should produce some effects in the real world. otherwise such soulsearching is of no use.</p>
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		<title>By: Nirmalangshu</title>
		<link>http://kafila.org/2009/10/21/open-letter-to-noam-chomsky-nirmalangshu-mukherjee/#comment-7695</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nirmalangshu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On the topic of Chomsky&#039;s stands on Nandigram etc., please see
http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?262508]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the topic of Chomsky&#8217;s stands on Nandigram etc., please see<br />
<a href="http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?262508" rel="nofollow">http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?262508</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andaleeb</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andaleeb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:09:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nirmalangshuji, it will do you and us good , if we all read this letter - the writer aint a brahmin or an ex-sudra.More feedback beyond Peoples Democracy.

Maoist Naxalites grow in India for the double standard leadership

&quot;Even though the growing Maoist Naxalite movement has been declared illegal by the governments at the centre and the states, the political leadership of India seem to be maintaining double standard in dealing with the grassroot issues that could eliminate the Maoist threat to the country and its poor people. From some instances it becomes almost evident that the anti-naxalite measures pursued by the government are primarily motivated by corporate interests. One sees corporate link behind the Naxal cry of the leaders because there are many cases filed against the Adivasis who are raising their voices against unjust displacement but at the same time not a single case has been registered against the corporate houses, who have terrorized the Adivasis, violated the laws of the land and taken away the constitutional rights of the Adivasis.&quot;

Gladson Dungdung : October 30, 2009

“Naxalism” has acquired the center stage of the whole debates in the government, the media and other public domains after the Maoists beheaded Francis Induwar, the Police Officer of the CID Special Branch followed by the killing of 17 Police men in Maharashtra, blowing up of school buildings in Jharkhand, attacking a Jeep carrying CISF personals in Chhatishgarh and hijacking drama of Rajdhani Express in West Bengal. The government and the media are crying foul almost every day and also attempting to fix the responsibility on the Human Rights Groups on the one hand and the so-called intellectuals are arguing the military operation as panacea to the Naxal problem on the other.  

The Corporate Home Minister P. Chidambaram keeps saying that the Human Rights Groups must condemn violence perpetrated by the Maoists on one hand and some intellectuals like Swapan Das Gupta and News Anchors like Arnab Goswami have even gone beyond their limit by discovering some uncivilized words like “Maoist-Terrorist” and are attempting to manufacture the consent that all the Adivasis are Maoist-Terrorists therefore they must be blown up by the military operation without looking other side of the story. The Naxal politics between the Trinmool Congress and the Left Parties have also intensified in the West Bengal. 

The most important question here needs to be answered is why there are so many hues and cries on “Naxalism” though it is not a new issue. The Naxalism has been flourishing in India for last 4 decades. There were several cases of beheading people, many police pickets were blown up in the past and train was also hijacked for 16 hours in 2006 in Jharkhand. The matter of the fact is the Central and State governments were never serious in addressing the issue of Naxalism and now when the problem is utterly intensified, they are crying foul with the clear intention of burying the failure of the entire system of governance. The government officials were busy in bagging money of the development and welfare schemes meant for the poor. The law enforcement agencies were quite active in collecting money in the police stations, check-posts and other places. And the politicians engaged themselves in capturing power through every ways and means. Consequently, the Naxalism is growing day by day. 

However, the main reason is that the so-called ‘Red Corridor’ is full of minerals, where the Adivasis have been residing for centuries. The Multi-National Companies are eyeing on the minerals of the regions and the government is all set to sell it in the market rate therefore it has signed hundreds of MoUs with these MNCs. Since, the Adivasis of these areas strongly feel that they have been betrayed, neglected and dispossessed in the name of development, industrialization and the national interest in India for last 6 decades after the Independence therefore they are resisting against unjust displacement. Consequently, the industrialization process has come to a halt. The Corporate Home Minister P. Chidambaram knows the best way to get the land clear is brand the Adivasis as Naxalites, capture the land and hand it over to the Multi-National Companies. 

It is obvious, because P. Chidambaram has very good corporate connections worldwide. Earlier, he represented the bankrupt American energy giant “Enron Corporation”, as a senior lawyer in India. He also represented the controversial British mining conglomerate ‘Vedanta Resources’ in the Mumbai High Court until 2003 when he became the finance Minister of India. He was also a member of the board of directors of the Vedanta and withdrew $70,000 that equals to Rs.35 lakhs in 2003 and also enjoyed hotel and travel facilities on the account of the Vedanta while he visited different parts of the world during that period. 

One sees the Naxal cry as corporate link also because there are many cases filed against the Adivasis who are raising their voices against unjust displacement but at the same time not a single case was registered against the corporate house, who have terrorized the Adivasis, violated the laws of the land and taken away the constitutional rights of the Adivasis. For instance, the Sponge Iron factories are operating in Kolhan and Chhotanagpur regions of Jharkhand without pollution clearance, fulfilling of the job promises and compensation to the people but no action was taken against these corporate houses but at the same time, the state government has filed 11 criminal cases against 3505 Adivasis in Jharkhand who are fighting against corporate houses like Tata Steel, Jindal Steel, Mittal Steel, Bhushan Steel and RPG Group. Why? 

Ironically, we live in a democratic country, where the government, the media and the other Institutions are run by the corporate houses, as a result, the rich people are always privileged and the poor are marginalized in every way. The paradox is the government promises land and forest rights through the forest right act 2006 to the Adivasis, who have been neglected, dispossessed and marginalized for the years on one hand and also signs the MoUs and promotes the forcefully land acquisition in the various part of the country in the name of so-called development on the other. Consequently, the people have lost their faith on the government. Therefore it must withdraw all the MoUs signed for the steel plant, mining projects and power plants, create a democratic space for the common people, where decent voice can be heard because the theories of the sunglasses will only complicate the problem. 
The failure of the state, growing social inequality and non justice delivery are the main reasons of spreading the Naxalism therefore the state has no moral rights for crying foul at this moment. The conflict between the state and the Maoist will never come to an end till the marginalized people were ensured social, economic and cultural justice and also they are made stakeholders to the development and welfare schemes. In a democratic country any kind of violence perpetrated either by the state or non-state actors can not be justified and violence can never be the means to address the issues in either ways. Therefore, both the parties should come together and find out the middle ground, where the media can also play a constructive role because the society can not survive without harmony and peace.

(About the Author: Gladson Dungdung is a Human Rights Activist and Writer from Jharkhand)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nirmalangshuji, it will do you and us good , if we all read this letter &#8211; the writer aint a brahmin or an ex-sudra.More feedback beyond Peoples Democracy.</p>
<p>Maoist Naxalites grow in India for the double standard leadership</p>
<p>&#8220;Even though the growing Maoist Naxalite movement has been declared illegal by the governments at the centre and the states, the political leadership of India seem to be maintaining double standard in dealing with the grassroot issues that could eliminate the Maoist threat to the country and its poor people. From some instances it becomes almost evident that the anti-naxalite measures pursued by the government are primarily motivated by corporate interests. One sees corporate link behind the Naxal cry of the leaders because there are many cases filed against the Adivasis who are raising their voices against unjust displacement but at the same time not a single case has been registered against the corporate houses, who have terrorized the Adivasis, violated the laws of the land and taken away the constitutional rights of the Adivasis.&#8221;</p>
<p>Gladson Dungdung : October 30, 2009</p>
<p>“Naxalism” has acquired the center stage of the whole debates in the government, the media and other public domains after the Maoists beheaded Francis Induwar, the Police Officer of the CID Special Branch followed by the killing of 17 Police men in Maharashtra, blowing up of school buildings in Jharkhand, attacking a Jeep carrying CISF personals in Chhatishgarh and hijacking drama of Rajdhani Express in West Bengal. The government and the media are crying foul almost every day and also attempting to fix the responsibility on the Human Rights Groups on the one hand and the so-called intellectuals are arguing the military operation as panacea to the Naxal problem on the other.  </p>
<p>The Corporate Home Minister P. Chidambaram keeps saying that the Human Rights Groups must condemn violence perpetrated by the Maoists on one hand and some intellectuals like Swapan Das Gupta and News Anchors like Arnab Goswami have even gone beyond their limit by discovering some uncivilized words like “Maoist-Terrorist” and are attempting to manufacture the consent that all the Adivasis are Maoist-Terrorists therefore they must be blown up by the military operation without looking other side of the story. The Naxal politics between the Trinmool Congress and the Left Parties have also intensified in the West Bengal. </p>
<p>The most important question here needs to be answered is why there are so many hues and cries on “Naxalism” though it is not a new issue. The Naxalism has been flourishing in India for last 4 decades. There were several cases of beheading people, many police pickets were blown up in the past and train was also hijacked for 16 hours in 2006 in Jharkhand. The matter of the fact is the Central and State governments were never serious in addressing the issue of Naxalism and now when the problem is utterly intensified, they are crying foul with the clear intention of burying the failure of the entire system of governance. The government officials were busy in bagging money of the development and welfare schemes meant for the poor. The law enforcement agencies were quite active in collecting money in the police stations, check-posts and other places. And the politicians engaged themselves in capturing power through every ways and means. Consequently, the Naxalism is growing day by day. </p>
<p>However, the main reason is that the so-called ‘Red Corridor’ is full of minerals, where the Adivasis have been residing for centuries. The Multi-National Companies are eyeing on the minerals of the regions and the government is all set to sell it in the market rate therefore it has signed hundreds of MoUs with these MNCs. Since, the Adivasis of these areas strongly feel that they have been betrayed, neglected and dispossessed in the name of development, industrialization and the national interest in India for last 6 decades after the Independence therefore they are resisting against unjust displacement. Consequently, the industrialization process has come to a halt. The Corporate Home Minister P. Chidambaram knows the best way to get the land clear is brand the Adivasis as Naxalites, capture the land and hand it over to the Multi-National Companies. </p>
<p>It is obvious, because P. Chidambaram has very good corporate connections worldwide. Earlier, he represented the bankrupt American energy giant “Enron Corporation”, as a senior lawyer in India. He also represented the controversial British mining conglomerate ‘Vedanta Resources’ in the Mumbai High Court until 2003 when he became the finance Minister of India. He was also a member of the board of directors of the Vedanta and withdrew $70,000 that equals to Rs.35 lakhs in 2003 and also enjoyed hotel and travel facilities on the account of the Vedanta while he visited different parts of the world during that period. </p>
<p>One sees the Naxal cry as corporate link also because there are many cases filed against the Adivasis who are raising their voices against unjust displacement but at the same time not a single case was registered against the corporate house, who have terrorized the Adivasis, violated the laws of the land and taken away the constitutional rights of the Adivasis. For instance, the Sponge Iron factories are operating in Kolhan and Chhotanagpur regions of Jharkhand without pollution clearance, fulfilling of the job promises and compensation to the people but no action was taken against these corporate houses but at the same time, the state government has filed 11 criminal cases against 3505 Adivasis in Jharkhand who are fighting against corporate houses like Tata Steel, Jindal Steel, Mittal Steel, Bhushan Steel and RPG Group. Why? </p>
<p>Ironically, we live in a democratic country, where the government, the media and the other Institutions are run by the corporate houses, as a result, the rich people are always privileged and the poor are marginalized in every way. The paradox is the government promises land and forest rights through the forest right act 2006 to the Adivasis, who have been neglected, dispossessed and marginalized for the years on one hand and also signs the MoUs and promotes the forcefully land acquisition in the various part of the country in the name of so-called development on the other. Consequently, the people have lost their faith on the government. Therefore it must withdraw all the MoUs signed for the steel plant, mining projects and power plants, create a democratic space for the common people, where decent voice can be heard because the theories of the sunglasses will only complicate the problem.<br />
The failure of the state, growing social inequality and non justice delivery are the main reasons of spreading the Naxalism therefore the state has no moral rights for crying foul at this moment. The conflict between the state and the Maoist will never come to an end till the marginalized people were ensured social, economic and cultural justice and also they are made stakeholders to the development and welfare schemes. In a democratic country any kind of violence perpetrated either by the state or non-state actors can not be justified and violence can never be the means to address the issues in either ways. Therefore, both the parties should come together and find out the middle ground, where the media can also play a constructive role because the society can not survive without harmony and peace.</p>
<p>(About the Author: Gladson Dungdung is a Human Rights Activist and Writer from Jharkhand)</p>
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		<title>By: Nirmalangshu</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nirmalangshu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 12:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[True. The real task is to stand in solidarity with &#039;unarmed, defenseless poor peasants, landless agricultural labour and tribal families&#039;, as you put it. I will probably also include other categories of impoverished, unempowered and marginalised people crushed under state plicy. But the current situation is the following:

The govt. wants to talk if &#039;violence is abjured&#039;. Highly distinguished voices demand that the talks be unconditional. Talks with whom? the CPI (Maoist) of course--not with the tribals, the broad democratic forums, not even with the broadly leftist, anti-state violence forces. So, the CPI (Maoist) is CENTRAL to the issue. Thus, the CPI (Maoist), by virtue of acquiring thousands of guns, turns out to be the sole representative of the struggling people against state violence, SEZs, imperial encroachments, murderous agricultural and industrial policies, everything. Thousands of unarmed activists working painstakingly with the people across the country also become marginalised in the state vs. &#039;maoist&#039; construction of the current scenario.

The state certainly wants this scenario knowing fully well that the CPI (Maoist) won&#039;t &#039;abjure&#039; violence on the state&#039;s calling. The CPI (Maoist), who had been waiting for this &#039;revolutionary&#039; turn of events for long (without participating in broad democratic movements outside their small areas of control), would also want this scenario to be (officially) &#039;recognised as the only genuine alternative before the people&#039;, as their Supreme Commander declares from his (safe) hideout. 

The war is imminent.

Where are the UNARMED tribals and the vast impoverished masses in this picture?

The left-democratic movement in India has been virtually sitting on this problem for many decades allowing both the state and the CPI (Maoist) to escalate their operations in stages with the tribal people in those areas caught in crossfire. Every effort to address this problem &#039;internally&#039; by appealing to and criticising the extremists have fallen on deaf ears. Now that the crisis has gone beyond discussion forums and is beginning to involve the lives and livelihood of vast massses of unempowered people who are not party to the discussion, left-democratic forces will continue to fail in their historical responsibility if they do not assign the responsibilities in public in defence of the people. Hence, every democratic campaign must demand that

(a) The state withdraw its repressive apparatus--not just the planned army and air force operations, but ALL paramilitary forces, COBRAS, GREYHOUNDS, special police forces, and the like--from the tribal-inhabited areas concerned; in effect, dismantle Operation Greenhunt.

(b) CPI (Maoist) DISARM and join the democratic struggle for the sake of the people they profess to be fighting for.

Rest of the details can be worked out in aggressive democratic campaigns once peace descends on the tribal people to enable them to organise their lives.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True. The real task is to stand in solidarity with &#8216;unarmed, defenseless poor peasants, landless agricultural labour and tribal families&#8217;, as you put it. I will probably also include other categories of impoverished, unempowered and marginalised people crushed under state plicy. But the current situation is the following:</p>
<p>The govt. wants to talk if &#8216;violence is abjured&#8217;. Highly distinguished voices demand that the talks be unconditional. Talks with whom? the CPI (Maoist) of course&#8211;not with the tribals, the broad democratic forums, not even with the broadly leftist, anti-state violence forces. So, the CPI (Maoist) is CENTRAL to the issue. Thus, the CPI (Maoist), by virtue of acquiring thousands of guns, turns out to be the sole representative of the struggling people against state violence, SEZs, imperial encroachments, murderous agricultural and industrial policies, everything. Thousands of unarmed activists working painstakingly with the people across the country also become marginalised in the state vs. &#8216;maoist&#8217; construction of the current scenario.</p>
<p>The state certainly wants this scenario knowing fully well that the CPI (Maoist) won&#8217;t &#8216;abjure&#8217; violence on the state&#8217;s calling. The CPI (Maoist), who had been waiting for this &#8216;revolutionary&#8217; turn of events for long (without participating in broad democratic movements outside their small areas of control), would also want this scenario to be (officially) &#8216;recognised as the only genuine alternative before the people&#8217;, as their Supreme Commander declares from his (safe) hideout. </p>
<p>The war is imminent.</p>
<p>Where are the UNARMED tribals and the vast impoverished masses in this picture?</p>
<p>The left-democratic movement in India has been virtually sitting on this problem for many decades allowing both the state and the CPI (Maoist) to escalate their operations in stages with the tribal people in those areas caught in crossfire. Every effort to address this problem &#8216;internally&#8217; by appealing to and criticising the extremists have fallen on deaf ears. Now that the crisis has gone beyond discussion forums and is beginning to involve the lives and livelihood of vast massses of unempowered people who are not party to the discussion, left-democratic forces will continue to fail in their historical responsibility if they do not assign the responsibilities in public in defence of the people. Hence, every democratic campaign must demand that</p>
<p>(a) The state withdraw its repressive apparatus&#8211;not just the planned army and air force operations, but ALL paramilitary forces, COBRAS, GREYHOUNDS, special police forces, and the like&#8211;from the tribal-inhabited areas concerned; in effect, dismantle Operation Greenhunt.</p>
<p>(b) CPI (Maoist) DISARM and join the democratic struggle for the sake of the people they profess to be fighting for.</p>
<p>Rest of the details can be worked out in aggressive democratic campaigns once peace descends on the tribal people to enable them to organise their lives.</p>
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		<title>By: miao</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[miao]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks to my counter-avatar. I agree with you, replacing one word only: &quot;it would be better for everyone to do some introspection and evaluate their own responsibilities as they start questioning the legitimacy of others.&quot; :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to my counter-avatar. I agree with you, replacing one word only: &#8220;it would be better for everyone to do some introspection and evaluate their own responsibilities as they start questioning the legitimacy of others.&#8221; :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Mathai</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Liberal space is indeed threatened when friends first want to see the credentials of people by asking their views on unrelated issues before judging the views already being expressed. My position on the programme of the CPI Maoist is irrelevant to the issue I am raising hence I am not entering that debate. My position on violence, which is part of their programme is, hence let me write about that. 

To me physical violence and the threat of physical violence viewed politically is essentially an undemocratic act. I however feel that the level of violence that exists in a society is a good barometer to gauge the democratic nature of that society. India is a violent country and also a very undemocratic one. In India violence and the real threat of violence permeates all aspects of society, culture, economy and polity. Violence has been the unwritten part of the programme of almost all political parties; either covertly in propping up violent groups to undermine the position of more moderate opponents or overtly by actually leading pogroms against sections of people. Even factional fights within major political parties in India have witnessed violent conflicts. To put it crudely, on the question of violence hammam mein sab nangaien hai. The nature and extent to which violence or the threat of violence is important to a particular party or organization is a debate I don’t want to go into right now. In a context where the entire Indian state machinery has a discriminatory approach towards tackling violence, I prefer to talk of violence at a more generic level, and to me the two categories of “state violence” and “private violence” seem to cover the ground quite comprehensively. 

My submission on the need to focus on the dangers of state violence, coming from Max Weber recognition of it having the ‘monopoly over legitimacy’ and hence needing more intense scrutiny, automatically should tell an intelligent reader that I do recognize that all forms of private violence as lacking in legitimacy. The degree of a lack of legitimacy depends on the context of the act of private violence and the scale runs across the range of acceptable violence to atrocity. When I see ‘private violence’ being perpetuated on marginalized sections of society by elite interests acting through non-state actors I see an atrocity. When I see ‘private violence’ being used by marginalized sections of society to protect themselves against attacks by elite sections of society I see justifiable violence used for self defense. A violent attack by marginalized sections of society on elite sections for me falls within the rubric of vigilantism which to me while not justifiable would not be termed an atrocity. A violent undirected and unfocused attack by marginalized sections is clearly an atrocity.

Like all of us I want to live in a society free from violence and the threat of it. To me that is the necessary pre-condition for a democratic society. To reach this aim, however, I will not go to a David and ask him to turn in his sling. Instead I will ask and demand of Goliath to come to his senses. The war that the Indian state has declared against the Maoists has not been in the past and will not be in the foreseeable future a lawful, focused intervention aimed at disarming and neutralizing an armed force. It will be an opaque, brutal and bloody one that will crush under its military machine many unarmed, defenseless poor peasant, landless agricultural labour and tribal families. Let not the antipathy that some of us may have against the Maoists come in the way of speaking out in their defense.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Liberal space is indeed threatened when friends first want to see the credentials of people by asking their views on unrelated issues before judging the views already being expressed. My position on the programme of the CPI Maoist is irrelevant to the issue I am raising hence I am not entering that debate. My position on violence, which is part of their programme is, hence let me write about that. </p>
<p>To me physical violence and the threat of physical violence viewed politically is essentially an undemocratic act. I however feel that the level of violence that exists in a society is a good barometer to gauge the democratic nature of that society. India is a violent country and also a very undemocratic one. In India violence and the real threat of violence permeates all aspects of society, culture, economy and polity. Violence has been the unwritten part of the programme of almost all political parties; either covertly in propping up violent groups to undermine the position of more moderate opponents or overtly by actually leading pogroms against sections of people. Even factional fights within major political parties in India have witnessed violent conflicts. To put it crudely, on the question of violence hammam mein sab nangaien hai. The nature and extent to which violence or the threat of violence is important to a particular party or organization is a debate I don’t want to go into right now. In a context where the entire Indian state machinery has a discriminatory approach towards tackling violence, I prefer to talk of violence at a more generic level, and to me the two categories of “state violence” and “private violence” seem to cover the ground quite comprehensively. </p>
<p>My submission on the need to focus on the dangers of state violence, coming from Max Weber recognition of it having the ‘monopoly over legitimacy’ and hence needing more intense scrutiny, automatically should tell an intelligent reader that I do recognize that all forms of private violence as lacking in legitimacy. The degree of a lack of legitimacy depends on the context of the act of private violence and the scale runs across the range of acceptable violence to atrocity. When I see ‘private violence’ being perpetuated on marginalized sections of society by elite interests acting through non-state actors I see an atrocity. When I see ‘private violence’ being used by marginalized sections of society to protect themselves against attacks by elite sections of society I see justifiable violence used for self defense. A violent attack by marginalized sections of society on elite sections for me falls within the rubric of vigilantism which to me while not justifiable would not be termed an atrocity. A violent undirected and unfocused attack by marginalized sections is clearly an atrocity.</p>
<p>Like all of us I want to live in a society free from violence and the threat of it. To me that is the necessary pre-condition for a democratic society. To reach this aim, however, I will not go to a David and ask him to turn in his sling. Instead I will ask and demand of Goliath to come to his senses. The war that the Indian state has declared against the Maoists has not been in the past and will not be in the foreseeable future a lawful, focused intervention aimed at disarming and neutralizing an armed force. It will be an opaque, brutal and bloody one that will crush under its military machine many unarmed, defenseless poor peasant, landless agricultural labour and tribal families. Let not the antipathy that some of us may have against the Maoists come in the way of speaking out in their defense.</p>
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		<title>By: countermiao</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[countermiao]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 12:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[protection of democratic space is of course necessary. but if these spacemen and spacewomen cannot protect the poor or the minorities from state repression, then there is a problem. for the miaos it is just an excuse for ridiculing the maoists who according to them are a danger to liberal spaces. it would be better for the miaos to do some introspection and evaluate their own responsibilities as they start questioning the legitimacy of others.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>protection of democratic space is of course necessary. but if these spacemen and spacewomen cannot protect the poor or the minorities from state repression, then there is a problem. for the miaos it is just an excuse for ridiculing the maoists who according to them are a danger to liberal spaces. it would be better for the miaos to do some introspection and evaluate their own responsibilities as they start questioning the legitimacy of others.</p>
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		<title>By: magisterludi</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[magisterludi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 21:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nirmalanshu&#039;s blind parroting of CPIM&#039;s lies about Nandigram essentially clarifies the motivation for his letter. What is very ironic is that he lectures and pontificates about how signatories are too ignorant to sign, that they need to be empowered by the piercing truth of Nirmalanshu&#039;s analysis before they sign...

Sir- you appear to be a philosophy professor in Delhi - you really are operating way out of your specialisation here, especially if your sources of analysis are CPIM&#039;s Delhi hacks...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nirmalanshu&#8217;s blind parroting of CPIM&#8217;s lies about Nandigram essentially clarifies the motivation for his letter. What is very ironic is that he lectures and pontificates about how signatories are too ignorant to sign, that they need to be empowered by the piercing truth of Nirmalanshu&#8217;s analysis before they sign&#8230;</p>
<p>Sir- you appear to be a philosophy professor in Delhi &#8211; you really are operating way out of your specialisation here, especially if your sources of analysis are CPIM&#8217;s Delhi hacks&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Padmaja Shaw</title>
		<link>http://kafila.org/2009/10/21/open-letter-to-noam-chomsky-nirmalangshu-mukherjee/#comment-7679</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Padmaja Shaw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Its been an interesting debate. BUT.. I feel that Chomsky&#039;s endorsement of the letter to Government of India along with a large number of other intellectuals is an urgent and spontaneous response to the posturing of the state and its eagerness to annihilate the maoist influence. If Sri Lanka&#039;s approach to LTTE was its undeclared role model, then the loss of life of innocent people in the cross fire is unimaginable. The first task is to pressurise the sttae to abandon such a project. The next stage could certainly be the analysis of maoist strategy of killing individuals in the name of eliminating class enemies and the alternatives to that, if any, in the context of a brutally oppressive state-corporate-police nexus that prevails in large parts of the country. The fact such a situation prevails creating a space for maoist ideology and the failure of alternative approaches to make any significant difference to the material reality of people&#039;s lives, makes such a timely intervention by people who care necessary.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its been an interesting debate. BUT.. I feel that Chomsky&#8217;s endorsement of the letter to Government of India along with a large number of other intellectuals is an urgent and spontaneous response to the posturing of the state and its eagerness to annihilate the maoist influence. If Sri Lanka&#8217;s approach to LTTE was its undeclared role model, then the loss of life of innocent people in the cross fire is unimaginable. The first task is to pressurise the sttae to abandon such a project. The next stage could certainly be the analysis of maoist strategy of killing individuals in the name of eliminating class enemies and the alternatives to that, if any, in the context of a brutally oppressive state-corporate-police nexus that prevails in large parts of the country. The fact such a situation prevails creating a space for maoist ideology and the failure of alternative approaches to make any significant difference to the material reality of people&#8217;s lives, makes such a timely intervention by people who care necessary.</p>
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		<title>By: miao</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[miao]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Civil liberties and democratic rights activists try to create, preserve and enlarge this liberal space; striving to ensure that the state and its agencies are forced to act within the ambit of rule of law and the tenants of natural justice.&quot;

Please correct me if I&#039;m wrong. It seems from this statement that the threat to liberal space comes from the state and its agencies only. So if the state can be effectively monitored, liberal space will not be endangered. AN has raised this issue already in another article and following same thread of thought I&#039;m curious to know Mr. Mathai&#039;s opinion about &quot;Political Program of CPI(Maoist) vis-a&#039;-vis Liberal Space&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Civil liberties and democratic rights activists try to create, preserve and enlarge this liberal space; striving to ensure that the state and its agencies are forced to act within the ambit of rule of law and the tenants of natural justice.&#8221;</p>
<p>Please correct me if I&#8217;m wrong. It seems from this statement that the threat to liberal space comes from the state and its agencies only. So if the state can be effectively monitored, liberal space will not be endangered. AN has raised this issue already in another article and following same thread of thought I&#8217;m curious to know Mr. Mathai&#8217;s opinion about &#8220;Political Program of CPI(Maoist) vis-a&#8217;-vis Liberal Space&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: V. Geetha</title>
		<link>http://kafila.org/2009/10/21/open-letter-to-noam-chomsky-nirmalangshu-mukherjee/#comment-7677</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[V. Geetha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 07:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Very quickly, I want to come into this from another angle. The LTTE&#039;s ride into destruction has elicited an almost singular response, over the decades, from their supporters in Tamil Nadu - unqualified endorsement of their nationalist credentials. Through this year, as the terrible war progressed towards its tragic finale, this devotion to the Tigers, so visible in the Tamil press, media and literary world, disallowed any other way or mode of engaging with the situation in Sri Lanka other than one of maudlin anger and public affirmation of our blood ties with fellow Tamils across the seas. So much so that beyond a point, this way of doing politics seemed patently self-indulgent, calling attention to its own fervour. Except for a few lone voices that counseled a different debate - looking at the Indian State&#039;s increasing involvement in Sri Lankan economic and military affairs, the changed nature of the Sri Lankan state, discussing the possibilities of locating protests within a broader alliance of Sinhala and Muslim dissenters - the mood was one of rhetorical affirmation of Tamil nationalism, its heroes and martyrs... 
The point is that the absence of a sustained critical engagement with the Tigers and their politics has not only rendered puerile Tamil responses from Tamil Nadu, but also prevented many of us from looking at things that have been staring us in the face for several years: the UTHR (Jaffna) reports, the contentious debates in Tamil blogs on the LTTE, the serious and psychotic manner in which Tamil militant groups have preyed on one another and then had no compunctions in taking the part of the Sri Lankan state... Whatever we did not wish to own up to, since many of us were ardent Tiger supporters, we tended to dismiss away as &#039;interested propaganda&#039;, as serving the interests of other militant groups, or we tended to say, &#039;so, if the Tigers are bad, were the others any better&#039;, or &#039;should we be talking about this when the Sri Lankan army is killing Tamils by the day...&#039; Our need for a validating and enabling politics, which we could not reconstruct from our own context, rendered many of us political voyeurs of the worst kind. And if today, the situation in Sri Lanka continues to elicit merely sentimental and denunciatory resposnes, this has also been on account of our unwillingness to debate, listen to contrary points of view, and our shameless search for alibis to duck damning charges leveled against the LTTE from diverse locations. On the other hand, we have also had to reckon with tales of lived horror, with dead friends whose list has grown by the year, and that evidence from the field so to speak, sadly, remains unaccommodated within any critical or affective public register - and so nationalism moves in where all else fails. The other option has been to determinedly criticise the LTTE, which some Tamils in diaspora do, as is clear from entire blogs devoted to this subject, but so much of this is caught between a dark nihilism on the one hand and personal hatred that remains resolutely outside the pale of the political on the other. An anti-LTTE politics, put forward by the Sri Lanka DEmocracy Forum has been another mode of looking at the situation - and there are some who have attempted work with this position in Tamil Nadu, some with reservations, others in a more accepting sort of way but both remain minorities, rather individuals than groups. The tragedy of the Tamils in Sri Lanka is mirrored in perverse ways in the near-collapse of critical thought on this subject in the Tamil Nadu context. 
In this context, this debate on Kafila, on Sanhati and elsewhere appears doubly and crucially important for many of us...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very quickly, I want to come into this from another angle. The LTTE&#8217;s ride into destruction has elicited an almost singular response, over the decades, from their supporters in Tamil Nadu &#8211; unqualified endorsement of their nationalist credentials. Through this year, as the terrible war progressed towards its tragic finale, this devotion to the Tigers, so visible in the Tamil press, media and literary world, disallowed any other way or mode of engaging with the situation in Sri Lanka other than one of maudlin anger and public affirmation of our blood ties with fellow Tamils across the seas. So much so that beyond a point, this way of doing politics seemed patently self-indulgent, calling attention to its own fervour. Except for a few lone voices that counseled a different debate &#8211; looking at the Indian State&#8217;s increasing involvement in Sri Lankan economic and military affairs, the changed nature of the Sri Lankan state, discussing the possibilities of locating protests within a broader alliance of Sinhala and Muslim dissenters &#8211; the mood was one of rhetorical affirmation of Tamil nationalism, its heroes and martyrs&#8230;<br />
The point is that the absence of a sustained critical engagement with the Tigers and their politics has not only rendered puerile Tamil responses from Tamil Nadu, but also prevented many of us from looking at things that have been staring us in the face for several years: the UTHR (Jaffna) reports, the contentious debates in Tamil blogs on the LTTE, the serious and psychotic manner in which Tamil militant groups have preyed on one another and then had no compunctions in taking the part of the Sri Lankan state&#8230; Whatever we did not wish to own up to, since many of us were ardent Tiger supporters, we tended to dismiss away as &#8216;interested propaganda&#8217;, as serving the interests of other militant groups, or we tended to say, &#8216;so, if the Tigers are bad, were the others any better&#8217;, or &#8216;should we be talking about this when the Sri Lankan army is killing Tamils by the day&#8230;&#8217; Our need for a validating and enabling politics, which we could not reconstruct from our own context, rendered many of us political voyeurs of the worst kind. And if today, the situation in Sri Lanka continues to elicit merely sentimental and denunciatory resposnes, this has also been on account of our unwillingness to debate, listen to contrary points of view, and our shameless search for alibis to duck damning charges leveled against the LTTE from diverse locations. On the other hand, we have also had to reckon with tales of lived horror, with dead friends whose list has grown by the year, and that evidence from the field so to speak, sadly, remains unaccommodated within any critical or affective public register &#8211; and so nationalism moves in where all else fails. The other option has been to determinedly criticise the LTTE, which some Tamils in diaspora do, as is clear from entire blogs devoted to this subject, but so much of this is caught between a dark nihilism on the one hand and personal hatred that remains resolutely outside the pale of the political on the other. An anti-LTTE politics, put forward by the Sri Lanka DEmocracy Forum has been another mode of looking at the situation &#8211; and there are some who have attempted work with this position in Tamil Nadu, some with reservations, others in a more accepting sort of way but both remain minorities, rather individuals than groups. The tragedy of the Tamils in Sri Lanka is mirrored in perverse ways in the near-collapse of critical thought on this subject in the Tamil Nadu context.<br />
In this context, this debate on Kafila, on Sanhati and elsewhere appears doubly and crucially important for many of us&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Mathai</title>
		<link>http://kafila.org/2009/10/21/open-letter-to-noam-chomsky-nirmalangshu-mukherjee/#comment-7668</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joseph Mathai]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A careful re-reading of Prof Nirmalangshu Mukherji’s open letter has pushed me to make a longer intervention on this subject expanding my earlier point. My cause for concern on his letter can be encapsulated in his concluding sentence: “By posing the current military preparations of the state only as a state vs. people conflict, the statement you endorsed effectively exonerates the CPI (Maoist) and plays into their hands.” If I have got it right Prof Mukherji appears to be arguing that the statement would have been better drafted if it was accompanied by a critique of the CPI (Maoist) in terms of the support it actually has amongst the people and that by taking up armed struggle they have actually invited this level of repression on themselves and the people.
I endorse the view expressed in the statement: “We feel that it [the military offensive] would deliver a crippling blow to Indian democracy if the government tries to subjugate its own people militarily.” I agree that perhaps the statement could have been drafted better as the concluding part of this sentence reads “without addressing their grievances” as if implying a military subjugation is justified after addressing grievances!
I repeat the point made in my earlier intervention in the face the state’s exceedingly brutal and undemocratic repression of an organization, its leaders and members and its supporters, it is perfectly reasonable to focus on the wanton misuse of state violence rather than critique who it is used on.
Many years ago while filing a case on a custodial death that had occurred at Inder Puri Police Station (Delhi) in the Supreme Court, the court clerk curiously asked us what crime had the dead victim committed? The case related to a day labourer, Ram Swarup, picked at the morning labour haat under the Naraina flyover to do some work (unpaid for) at the police station, who was then locked up for the night and picked on by some drunk policemen in the night looking for some ‘entertainment’ and beaten to death. My impulse was to tell the court clerk the whole story and speak about how Ram Swarup was innocent of any crime. Before I could say anything, the lawyer-activist who was filing the case said that it was irrelevant; the police have no right to beat up anyone they have in their custody. On hind sight I realized the wisdom of this response; the guilt or innocence of the victim is no grounds to view a violation by the state and its functionaries of its sworn duty to protect “the life and personal liberty” of each of its citizens. (The case for compensation was won; though as usual no murder proceedings were initiated against the concerned policeman.)
Civil liberties and democratic rights activists try to create, preserve and enlarge this liberal space; striving to ensure that the state and its agencies are forced to act within the ambit of rule of law and the tenants of natural justice. True to the liberal nature of this project the civil liberties organizations have taken up issues where ‘victims’ of rights violations have come from the entire sweep of the political spectrum, including a Mr L K Advani, who was once arrested under the draconian National Security Act.
In the past too there have been instances when there were critics questioning the wisdom of a defence of the rights of individuals and organizations of whichever particular political brand that was then felt by that particular critic to be indefensible for whatever reason. This is perhaps truly indicative of the shrinking liberal space even amongst fellow travelers.
With all earnestness I would request Prof Mukherji to further expand his insightful, valuable and provoking critique of the CPI (Maoist)...and sign the statement!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A careful re-reading of Prof Nirmalangshu Mukherji’s open letter has pushed me to make a longer intervention on this subject expanding my earlier point. My cause for concern on his letter can be encapsulated in his concluding sentence: “By posing the current military preparations of the state only as a state vs. people conflict, the statement you endorsed effectively exonerates the CPI (Maoist) and plays into their hands.” If I have got it right Prof Mukherji appears to be arguing that the statement would have been better drafted if it was accompanied by a critique of the CPI (Maoist) in terms of the support it actually has amongst the people and that by taking up armed struggle they have actually invited this level of repression on themselves and the people.<br />
I endorse the view expressed in the statement: “We feel that it [the military offensive] would deliver a crippling blow to Indian democracy if the government tries to subjugate its own people militarily.” I agree that perhaps the statement could have been drafted better as the concluding part of this sentence reads “without addressing their grievances” as if implying a military subjugation is justified after addressing grievances!<br />
I repeat the point made in my earlier intervention in the face the state’s exceedingly brutal and undemocratic repression of an organization, its leaders and members and its supporters, it is perfectly reasonable to focus on the wanton misuse of state violence rather than critique who it is used on.<br />
Many years ago while filing a case on a custodial death that had occurred at Inder Puri Police Station (Delhi) in the Supreme Court, the court clerk curiously asked us what crime had the dead victim committed? The case related to a day labourer, Ram Swarup, picked at the morning labour haat under the Naraina flyover to do some work (unpaid for) at the police station, who was then locked up for the night and picked on by some drunk policemen in the night looking for some ‘entertainment’ and beaten to death. My impulse was to tell the court clerk the whole story and speak about how Ram Swarup was innocent of any crime. Before I could say anything, the lawyer-activist who was filing the case said that it was irrelevant; the police have no right to beat up anyone they have in their custody. On hind sight I realized the wisdom of this response; the guilt or innocence of the victim is no grounds to view a violation by the state and its functionaries of its sworn duty to protect “the life and personal liberty” of each of its citizens. (The case for compensation was won; though as usual no murder proceedings were initiated against the concerned policeman.)<br />
Civil liberties and democratic rights activists try to create, preserve and enlarge this liberal space; striving to ensure that the state and its agencies are forced to act within the ambit of rule of law and the tenants of natural justice. True to the liberal nature of this project the civil liberties organizations have taken up issues where ‘victims’ of rights violations have come from the entire sweep of the political spectrum, including a Mr L K Advani, who was once arrested under the draconian National Security Act.<br />
In the past too there have been instances when there were critics questioning the wisdom of a defence of the rights of individuals and organizations of whichever particular political brand that was then felt by that particular critic to be indefensible for whatever reason. This is perhaps truly indicative of the shrinking liberal space even amongst fellow travelers.<br />
With all earnestness I would request Prof Mukherji to further expand his insightful, valuable and provoking critique of the CPI (Maoist)&#8230;and sign the statement!</p>
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		<title>By: dask</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dask]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 10:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We are students of politics and students need to do their homework.
The problem with Mr. Mukherjee is this :  1. He has not done his homework. He does not know what he is talking about. Any student of Bengal politics during the past decade knows the geography, the organisations involved and the sequence in time. From reading Mr. Mukherjee&#039;s comments and referencing of events, it is clear that he has hardly followed what has happened.  2. Since he has failed in his homework, he is relying on his friends&#039; (Malinis and Sudhanvas) notes, trusting his instincts. 3. Finally, he writes a bad essay assuming he understand the letterwriters, the intellectuals, his friends&#039; notes and then pours out his personal scorn.  

Criticism is absolutely necessary. But a better job should be done without trying  to be a Twenty20 slogger attempting to please the maidens in the crowd.  CPI(Marxist) is definitely pleased. Otherwise Pragoti would not have hosted it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We are students of politics and students need to do their homework.<br />
The problem with Mr. Mukherjee is this :  1. He has not done his homework. He does not know what he is talking about. Any student of Bengal politics during the past decade knows the geography, the organisations involved and the sequence in time. From reading Mr. Mukherjee&#8217;s comments and referencing of events, it is clear that he has hardly followed what has happened.  2. Since he has failed in his homework, he is relying on his friends&#8217; (Malinis and Sudhanvas) notes, trusting his instincts. 3. Finally, he writes a bad essay assuming he understand the letterwriters, the intellectuals, his friends&#8217; notes and then pours out his personal scorn.  </p>
<p>Criticism is absolutely necessary. But a better job should be done without trying  to be a Twenty20 slogger attempting to please the maidens in the crowd.  CPI(Marxist) is definitely pleased. Otherwise Pragoti would not have hosted it.</p>
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		<title>By: Andaleeb</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andaleeb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 07:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Mukherjee - So elements like Sudhanva DesPande and Malini Bhatacharya have to be taken at face value when the Trinamool-Maoist alliance tag is parroted by CPM and no-one else? It is exactly due to the coarseness of your source-based analysis that I surmised that you must not be living in Bengal.This Malini Bhatacharya was a CPM MP and you expect her to have a point-of-view on Trinamool, which is no in line with CPM, and then take the content of the viewpoint of being Malini Bhatacharya&#039;s , the &quot;feminist intellectual&quot;. Are you naive or do you  think we are fools?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mukherjee &#8211; So elements like Sudhanva DesPande and Malini Bhatacharya have to be taken at face value when the Trinamool-Maoist alliance tag is parroted by CPM and no-one else? It is exactly due to the coarseness of your source-based analysis that I surmised that you must not be living in Bengal.This Malini Bhatacharya was a CPM MP and you expect her to have a point-of-view on Trinamool, which is no in line with CPM, and then take the content of the viewpoint of being Malini Bhatacharya&#8217;s , the &#8220;feminist intellectual&#8221;. Are you naive or do you  think we are fools?</p>
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		<title>By: Nirmalangshu</title>
		<link>http://kafila.org/2009/10/21/open-letter-to-noam-chomsky-nirmalangshu-mukherjee/#comment-7665</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nirmalangshu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 07:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Aditya, I fully agree with you on the fact that CPM harmads and other goons have terrorised rural bengal much before the said uprisings. Just to set the recod clear, I wrote this in a recent article: &quot;The combination of withdrawal of pro-people policies, increasing control of the mafia and repression of the state, the misuse of the panchayat system, the appeasement of urban elites, adoption of neoliberal policies, and almost absolute failure in terms even of ‘good governance’, finally convinced the people that there really is no basic difference between the previous Congress-rule and the current left-rule... The dam of unvoiced resistance finally burst when the system of repression invaded people’s habitats in Singur and Nandigram under the direction of big business. The electoral verdict of 2009 is essentially a verdict against the very character of left-governance; the people of West Bengal have finally been able to see through sustained propaganda to conclude that there is not much left of the left anymore.&quot;

About Trinamool-&#039;maoist&#039; alliance/connections, I agree with you that this is a story that remains to be told (fully). See the comment from the Supreme Commander above for the beginning of such a story. It will also be disturbingly partisan to dismiss all reports by people like Mailini Bhattacharya, Sudhvna, and others just because they belong to or are associated with CPM. In unclear conditions of conflict, one needs to make some guesses about the &#039;truth&#039; by working through a variety of conflicting partisan reports, interpreting them in terms of one&#039;s past knowledge. If there is some indication of a &#039;maoist&#039;-CPM alliance at the beginning of the Lalgarh movement, partly conceded by the Supreme Commander, why couldn&#039;t there be a &#039;maoist&#039;-Trinamool alliance in Nandigarh? Do we all forget the Cong-shal (Congress-Naxal) phenomenon in Bengal in the &#039;70s?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aditya, I fully agree with you on the fact that CPM harmads and other goons have terrorised rural bengal much before the said uprisings. Just to set the recod clear, I wrote this in a recent article: &#8220;The combination of withdrawal of pro-people policies, increasing control of the mafia and repression of the state, the misuse of the panchayat system, the appeasement of urban elites, adoption of neoliberal policies, and almost absolute failure in terms even of ‘good governance’, finally convinced the people that there really is no basic difference between the previous Congress-rule and the current left-rule&#8230; The dam of unvoiced resistance finally burst when the system of repression invaded people’s habitats in Singur and Nandigram under the direction of big business. The electoral verdict of 2009 is essentially a verdict against the very character of left-governance; the people of West Bengal have finally been able to see through sustained propaganda to conclude that there is not much left of the left anymore.&#8221;</p>
<p>About Trinamool-&#8217;maoist&#8217; alliance/connections, I agree with you that this is a story that remains to be told (fully). See the comment from the Supreme Commander above for the beginning of such a story. It will also be disturbingly partisan to dismiss all reports by people like Mailini Bhattacharya, Sudhvna, and others just because they belong to or are associated with CPM. In unclear conditions of conflict, one needs to make some guesses about the &#8216;truth&#8217; by working through a variety of conflicting partisan reports, interpreting them in terms of one&#8217;s past knowledge. If there is some indication of a &#8216;maoist&#8217;-CPM alliance at the beginning of the Lalgarh movement, partly conceded by the Supreme Commander, why couldn&#8217;t there be a &#8216;maoist&#8217;-Trinamool alliance in Nandigarh? Do we all forget the Cong-shal (Congress-Naxal) phenomenon in Bengal in the &#8217;70s?</p>
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		<title>By: Prathamesh</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Prathamesh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 06:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While Balagopal was quoted, its interesting to note how he himself demanded an end to this hunt. He has an article which was translated called : Let us demand an end to this hunt.
Prathamesh]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While Balagopal was quoted, its interesting to note how he himself demanded an end to this hunt. He has an article which was translated called : Let us demand an end to this hunt.<br />
Prathamesh</p>
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		<title>By: Nirmalangshu</title>
		<link>http://kafila.org/2009/10/21/open-letter-to-noam-chomsky-nirmalangshu-mukherjee/#comment-7663</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nirmalangshu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 06:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, one is condemned to read only &#039;maoist&#039; documents, and not allowed to make up one&#039;s mind after reading statements of both sides alongwith newspaper reports, varieties of fact-finding committees etc.? You do not expect the CPI (Maoist) to directly concede an alliance with the Trinamool. But what do we make of the Supreme Commander&#039;s comment: &quot;Then there have been mass movements in Singur and Nandigram but there the role of a section of the ruling classes is also significant. These movements were utilised by the ruling class parties for their own
electoral interests.&quot; How come in the presence of &#039;maoist&#039; cadres?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, one is condemned to read only &#8216;maoist&#8217; documents, and not allowed to make up one&#8217;s mind after reading statements of both sides alongwith newspaper reports, varieties of fact-finding committees etc.? You do not expect the CPI (Maoist) to directly concede an alliance with the Trinamool. But what do we make of the Supreme Commander&#8217;s comment: &#8220;Then there have been mass movements in Singur and Nandigram but there the role of a section of the ruling classes is also significant. These movements were utilised by the ruling class parties for their own<br />
electoral interests.&#8221; How come in the presence of &#8216;maoist&#8217; cadres?</p>
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		<title>By: Aditya Nigam</title>
		<link>http://kafila.org/2009/10/21/open-letter-to-noam-chomsky-nirmalangshu-mukherjee/#comment-7662</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aditya Nigam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Oct 2009 06:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Joseph, for pointing out this distinction. The point really is where the label &#039;liberal humanist&#039; comes from. There is nothing intrinsically wrong about it. However, coming from where it did, it also smacks of double standards and hypocrisy - for it is not that these people will refuse to &#039;make use&#039; of the legal and intellectual prowess of &#039;liberal humanists&#039; whom they so deride. But more on that later. Anant, thanks for the link - this was a very useful piece by Balagopal. However, I am really not interested in labels distributed by self-appointed  guardians of the revolution and so fully share your argument.
dask, this is our tragedy, if you allow me to say so. Let me clarify that I disagree with Nirmalangshu on a number of points that have come up in the course of the debate. I have no doubt that the harmads of the CPM for example have had an independent and prior existence and role in West Bengal and that rural Bengal has been groaning under the silent terror of CPM rule. That is the primary reason for the outburst of popular anger that one sees against it, in the aftermath of the elections. I also disagree with this &#039;Trinamool-Maoist alliance&#039; formulation. Being a student of politics, I know that it is only when there are really spontaneous mass movements that all kinds of forces feel compelled to join the bandwagon. Neither Nandigram nor Singur - nor even Lalgarh - were the product of Trinamool-Maoist activity but were popular revolts where these diverse forces felt compelled to jump in with their own agendas. This is a story that remains to be told.
However, simply because of this, and simply because his piece has been posted on Pragoti, I will not label him a CPM person. After all, two years ago, when the Nandigram battle was on, Nirmalangshu had signed the statement (which many of us had signed too) addressing Tariq Ali, Howard Zinn, Chomsky, Susan George and others. That statement was a clear critique of the CPM as well as of the position espoused by these intellectuals.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Joseph, for pointing out this distinction. The point really is where the label &#8216;liberal humanist&#8217; comes from. There is nothing intrinsically wrong about it. However, coming from where it did, it also smacks of double standards and hypocrisy &#8211; for it is not that these people will refuse to &#8216;make use&#8217; of the legal and intellectual prowess of &#8216;liberal humanists&#8217; whom they so deride. But more on that later. Anant, thanks for the link &#8211; this was a very useful piece by Balagopal. However, I am really not interested in labels distributed by self-appointed  guardians of the revolution and so fully share your argument.<br />
dask, this is our tragedy, if you allow me to say so. Let me clarify that I disagree with Nirmalangshu on a number of points that have come up in the course of the debate. I have no doubt that the harmads of the CPM for example have had an independent and prior existence and role in West Bengal and that rural Bengal has been groaning under the silent terror of CPM rule. That is the primary reason for the outburst of popular anger that one sees against it, in the aftermath of the elections. I also disagree with this &#8216;Trinamool-Maoist alliance&#8217; formulation. Being a student of politics, I know that it is only when there are really spontaneous mass movements that all kinds of forces feel compelled to join the bandwagon. Neither Nandigram nor Singur &#8211; nor even Lalgarh &#8211; were the product of Trinamool-Maoist activity but were popular revolts where these diverse forces felt compelled to jump in with their own agendas. This is a story that remains to be told.<br />
However, simply because of this, and simply because his piece has been posted on Pragoti, I will not label him a CPM person. After all, two years ago, when the Nandigram battle was on, Nirmalangshu had signed the statement (which many of us had signed too) addressing Tariq Ali, Howard Zinn, Chomsky, Susan George and others. That statement was a clear critique of the CPM as well as of the position espoused by these intellectuals.</p>
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		<title>By: dask</title>
		<link>http://kafila.org/2009/10/21/open-letter-to-noam-chomsky-nirmalangshu-mukherjee/#comment-7661</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dask]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 17:58:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[CPI(M) blog has printed it.
http://pragoti.org/bn/node/3662
Mr. Mukherjee has nice company. Need we say more ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CPI(M) blog has printed it.<br />
<a href="http://pragoti.org/bn/node/3662" rel="nofollow">http://pragoti.org/bn/node/3662</a><br />
Mr. Mukherjee has nice company. Need we say more ?</p>
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		<title>By: dask</title>
		<link>http://kafila.org/2009/10/21/open-letter-to-noam-chomsky-nirmalangshu-mukherjee/#comment-7660</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dask]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;blackblockist anarcho-militarist&quot; what does it mean ? please stop throwing jargons.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;blackblockist anarcho-militarist&#8221; what does it mean ? please stop throwing jargons.</p>
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		<title>By: dask</title>
		<link>http://kafila.org/2009/10/21/open-letter-to-noam-chomsky-nirmalangshu-mukherjee/#comment-7659</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dask]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:17:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr. Mukherjee again ducks the question. How did he know that there is a Trinamool-Maoist alliance if he is not reading the CPI(M) handouts ? No one else is talking about such a nexus.  The non-CPI(M) left is far from making such accusations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Mukherjee again ducks the question. How did he know that there is a Trinamool-Maoist alliance if he is not reading the CPI(M) handouts ? No one else is talking about such a nexus.  The non-CPI(M) left is far from making such accusations.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Mathai</title>
		<link>http://kafila.org/2009/10/21/open-letter-to-noam-chomsky-nirmalangshu-mukherjee/#comment-7658</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joseph Mathai]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 13:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I share the sadness Aditya Nigam expressed on hearing some of the speeches at Balagopal&#039;s condolence meeting. I don&#039;t however  see  &quot;liberal humanist&quot; as a bad word, though I agree in Balagopal&#039;s case it is an instance of being damned with faint praise.  

From the liberal humanist standpoint I see no reason to criticize a statement for only being critical about the state&#039;s exceedingly brutal and undemocratic repression of an organization, its leaders and members and its supporters. In the light of Max Weber&#039;s characterization of the state having &quot;the monopoly on the legitimate use of violence&quot; it behoves on liberals to focus on the wanton misuse of state violence irrespective of who it is used on.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I share the sadness Aditya Nigam expressed on hearing some of the speeches at Balagopal&#8217;s condolence meeting. I don&#8217;t however  see  &#8220;liberal humanist&#8221; as a bad word, though I agree in Balagopal&#8217;s case it is an instance of being damned with faint praise.  </p>
<p>From the liberal humanist standpoint I see no reason to criticize a statement for only being critical about the state&#8217;s exceedingly brutal and undemocratic repression of an organization, its leaders and members and its supporters. In the light of Max Weber&#8217;s characterization of the state having &#8220;the monopoly on the legitimate use of violence&#8221; it behoves on liberals to focus on the wanton misuse of state violence irrespective of who it is used on.</p>
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		<title>By: Nirmalangshu</title>
		<link>http://kafila.org/2009/10/21/open-letter-to-noam-chomsky-nirmalangshu-mukherjee/#comment-7657</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nirmalangshu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For the effect of neo-liberal policies and the disasterous consequences for the poor, we don&#039;t need &#039;maoist&#039; sermons. In fact they have been a little too late in joining the resistance. For a non-&#039;maoist&#039; account, I find the rigorous economic account by the noted economist Utsa Patnaik&#039;s work helpful; for example, The Republic of Hunger, 2001. The general struggle against SEZs and neo-liberal policies began in the mid-&#039;90&#039;s when the &#039;maoists&#039; were still fighting their own war of area-control in Andhra and Bihar.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the effect of neo-liberal policies and the disasterous consequences for the poor, we don&#8217;t need &#8216;maoist&#8217; sermons. In fact they have been a little too late in joining the resistance. For a non-&#8217;maoist&#8217; account, I find the rigorous economic account by the noted economist Utsa Patnaik&#8217;s work helpful; for example, The Republic of Hunger, 2001. The general struggle against SEZs and neo-liberal policies began in the mid-&#8217;90&#8242;s when the &#8216;maoists&#8217; were still fighting their own war of area-control in Andhra and Bihar.</p>
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		<title>By: Nirmalangshu</title>
		<link>http://kafila.org/2009/10/21/open-letter-to-noam-chomsky-nirmalangshu-mukherjee/#comment-7656</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nirmalangshu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:15:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the quotes. But I will only respond to critics of my open letter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the quotes. But I will only respond to critics of my open letter.</p>
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		<title>By: Nirmalangshu</title>
		<link>http://kafila.org/2009/10/21/open-letter-to-noam-chomsky-nirmalangshu-mukherjee/#comment-7655</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nirmalangshu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:12:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You have to be inside Iraq to know what is happening there? &#039;Insider&#039;s knowledge&#039; is always a handy excuse for those who do not have any other arguments to offer.
Forms of subjectivism go hand in hand with anarchic positions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have to be inside Iraq to know what is happening there? &#8216;Insider&#8217;s knowledge&#8217; is always a handy excuse for those who do not have any other arguments to offer.<br />
Forms of subjectivism go hand in hand with anarchic positions.</p>
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		<title>By: bijoy</title>
		<link>http://kafila.org/2009/10/21/open-letter-to-noam-chomsky-nirmalangshu-mukherjee/#comment-7654</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bijoy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 09:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[one thing is sure, there wouldn&#039;t have 100s of rulling party members killed else where in the world. This is the best thing democratic left offers to maoist that maoist can associate with Trinamool and keep going on killing CPIM members. Let it be a maoist regime or congress regime,  these kind of barbaric killings of rulling party members wouldn&#039;t have allowed to continue.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one thing is sure, there wouldn&#8217;t have 100s of rulling party members killed else where in the world. This is the best thing democratic left offers to maoist that maoist can associate with Trinamool and keep going on killing CPIM members. Let it be a maoist regime or congress regime,  these kind of barbaric killings of rulling party members wouldn&#8217;t have allowed to continue.</p>
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		<title>By: dask</title>
		<link>http://kafila.org/2009/10/21/open-letter-to-noam-chomsky-nirmalangshu-mukherjee/#comment-7653</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dask]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 08:50:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&#039;trimanool-maoist&#039; alliance seems quite similar to what karat and company tell us repeatedly. this does smell bad if mr. mukherjee does want to shake off allegations that his views are close to that of cpi(m).

mr. mukherjee can write whatever he wants. the problem is with kafila&#039;s original idea of hositing such a personal position without hosting the letter which mr. mukherjee criticizes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;trimanool-maoist&#8217; alliance seems quite similar to what karat and company tell us repeatedly. this does smell bad if mr. mukherjee does want to shake off allegations that his views are close to that of cpi(m).</p>
<p>mr. mukherjee can write whatever he wants. the problem is with kafila&#8217;s original idea of hositing such a personal position without hosting the letter which mr. mukherjee criticizes.</p>
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		<title>By: Andaleeb</title>
		<link>http://kafila.org/2009/10/21/open-letter-to-noam-chomsky-nirmalangshu-mukherjee/#comment-7651</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andaleeb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 07:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Nirmalangshu 

&quot;Instead of building up on that victory, the Trinamool-’Maoist’ alliance began to intimidate, kill, and expel local CPM cadres in large numbers to capture the area. This led to invasion of harmads, which was responded to by arming selective groups, digging trenches, etc.&quot;

- what is interesting is the  sequence in which you present the events. You have been out of Bengal for a long time I presume?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Nirmalangshu </p>
<p>&#8220;Instead of building up on that victory, the Trinamool-’Maoist’ alliance began to intimidate, kill, and expel local CPM cadres in large numbers to capture the area. This led to invasion of harmads, which was responded to by arming selective groups, digging trenches, etc.&#8221;</p>
<p>- what is interesting is the  sequence in which you present the events. You have been out of Bengal for a long time I presume?</p>
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		<title>By: magisterludi</title>
		<link>http://kafila.org/2009/10/21/open-letter-to-noam-chomsky-nirmalangshu-mukherjee/#comment-7648</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[magisterludi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 06:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nirmalanshu gives too little credit to the hundreds of foreign signatories, when he says that they didn&#039;t know what they were signing. Just because the statement is not to his liking, it doesn&#039;t follow that everybody who signed it was an ignoramus. That&#039;s a very self-important position.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nirmalanshu gives too little credit to the hundreds of foreign signatories, when he says that they didn&#8217;t know what they were signing. Just because the statement is not to his liking, it doesn&#8217;t follow that everybody who signed it was an ignoramus. That&#8217;s a very self-important position.</p>
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		<title>By: just a reader</title>
		<link>http://kafila.org/2009/10/21/open-letter-to-noam-chomsky-nirmalangshu-mukherjee/#comment-7647</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[just a reader]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 05:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think NM&#039;s letter misses the real issues.The letter to PM is not the proper forum for a debate on maoists and counterposing one violence with
another.Such a letter can only address some concerns in a broad manner. Matters which the
left (of all hues and shades) and its fellow travellers, supporters,sympathisers and dissenters within the broad left should discuss
among themselves (e.g. should we oppose globalization per se, state violence vs maoist
violence, industrialization vs peoples&#039; livelihoods,
environmental issues vs growth and development)
can be discussed in any other fora or platform.
Why should anyone rush to judge the recent events and the outcomes with so much
certainity. The end of history was pronounced
in the early 90s and that judgment was found to be meaningless within a decade.The rediscovery of Keynes after the global economic crisis or the massive resurgence of the left in Latin America were never anticipated or predicted in the beginning of this century. Unfortunately
the left in India is yet to work together on some
common issues/concerns to work with (e.g.
labor rights) or work together to address issues
cutting across the ideological divide. Verbal duels and endless polemics will take them nowhere.
After reading so many debates in Kafila and elsewhere I realize that for many, proving themselves to be correct seems to an end rather
than means for a wider goal.Nuances in theory and analysis of situated contexts and actions are
fine but do they result in further fragmentation of
understanding and analysis is paralysis type of situation or do they result in an understanding that
guides praxis.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think NM&#8217;s letter misses the real issues.The letter to PM is not the proper forum for a debate on maoists and counterposing one violence with<br />
another.Such a letter can only address some concerns in a broad manner. Matters which the<br />
left (of all hues and shades) and its fellow travellers, supporters,sympathisers and dissenters within the broad left should discuss<br />
among themselves (e.g. should we oppose globalization per se, state violence vs maoist<br />
violence, industrialization vs peoples&#8217; livelihoods,<br />
environmental issues vs growth and development)<br />
can be discussed in any other fora or platform.<br />
Why should anyone rush to judge the recent events and the outcomes with so much<br />
certainity. The end of history was pronounced<br />
in the early 90s and that judgment was found to be meaningless within a decade.The rediscovery of Keynes after the global economic crisis or the massive resurgence of the left in Latin America were never anticipated or predicted in the beginning of this century. Unfortunately<br />
the left in India is yet to work together on some<br />
common issues/concerns to work with (e.g.<br />
labor rights) or work together to address issues<br />
cutting across the ideological divide. Verbal duels and endless polemics will take them nowhere.<br />
After reading so many debates in Kafila and elsewhere I realize that for many, proving themselves to be correct seems to an end rather<br />
than means for a wider goal.Nuances in theory and analysis of situated contexts and actions are<br />
fine but do they result in further fragmentation of<br />
understanding and analysis is paralysis type of situation or do they result in an understanding that<br />
guides praxis.</p>
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		<title>By: Nirmalangshu</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nirmalangshu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[About (1), the Supreme Commander of CPI (Maoist) says so. He said that &quot;former&quot; LTTE men trained their guerrillas. I did not forget to include the qualification &quot;former&quot;. As for (2), as I have replied elsewhere in this discussion, I have nothing for or against Sanhati people; I was just concerned with the statement they asked people across the world to sign.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About (1), the Supreme Commander of CPI (Maoist) says so. He said that &#8220;former&#8221; LTTE men trained their guerrillas. I did not forget to include the qualification &#8220;former&#8221;. As for (2), as I have replied elsewhere in this discussion, I have nothing for or against Sanhati people; I was just concerned with the statement they asked people across the world to sign.</p>
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		<title>By: Nirmalangshu</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nirmalangshu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Correct, if the large number of signatories, especially hundreds of them from abroad, knew what they were signing on. The content of the statement and the background note did not empower them to do so. One could &#039;assume&#039; that all the signatories are familiar with the complex issues, especially regarding the functioning of CPI (Maoist). The assumption is false and fanciful.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correct, if the large number of signatories, especially hundreds of them from abroad, knew what they were signing on. The content of the statement and the background note did not empower them to do so. One could &#8216;assume&#8217; that all the signatories are familiar with the complex issues, especially regarding the functioning of CPI (Maoist). The assumption is false and fanciful.</p>
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		<title>By: Nirmalangshu</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nirmalangshu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 13:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a very perceptive account of what must be going on in those forest areas inhabited by tribals. It is also very clear that isolated groups of tribals find it most difficult to resist the moves of Essar etc. accompanied by agents of the state, as the author vividly describes. It is precisely for this reason that broad and militant democratic movements are needed in solidarity with the local population so that the latter can organise themselves and take the resistance to a more visible higher level. To mention just one struggle, this is exactly what Narmada Bachao Andolan had done. Given the broad mass base and support from &#039;civil society&#039;, the state did not dare to escalate its forms of repression even if it wanted to, and the World Bank fled from the scene.

In more recent times, Nandigram and Lalgarh are shining examples of how indigenous people&#039;s movements against the loot and repression of agents of neo-liberalisation can arise and develop with broad support. In both cases, however, a disasterous &#039;revolutionary&#039; politics attempted to exploit the opportunity by intervening with the promise of immediate armed struggle. This was done by creating conditions of violence far beyond the level of development of a struggle; this invited immediate escalation of repression by the state; the original movement is left with no option but to take up arms; state repression increases even further; the leaders go underground--the movement is destroyed.

Specifically:

1. In Nandigram, the impressive movement of the people forced the Govt. to withdraw the plan for the chemical hub from that area. Instead of building up on that victory, the Trinamool-&#039;Maoist&#039; alliance began to intimidate, kill, and expel local CPM cadres in large numbers to capture the area. This led to invasion of harmads, which was responded to by arming selective groups, digging trenches, etc. Militaristic preparations took over the democratic organisations of the people. The state found the justification to enhance repression, the leaders fled the scene, the movement collapsed.

2. In Lalgarh, the historical deprivation of people created conditions for a democratic struggle which was building up when the &#039;maoists&#039; intervened by attempting to blow up the Chief Minister. The state got every excuse to let its security forces loose on the unprepared people, and the familiar scenario followed.

The history of people&#039;s struggles in the Dandakaranya area is much longer and, hence, more complicated. But a detailed analysis of steps over the years is likely to show the same pattern.

Such people&#039;s movements are typically hijacked when the]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very perceptive account of what must be going on in those forest areas inhabited by tribals. It is also very clear that isolated groups of tribals find it most difficult to resist the moves of Essar etc. accompanied by agents of the state, as the author vividly describes. It is precisely for this reason that broad and militant democratic movements are needed in solidarity with the local population so that the latter can organise themselves and take the resistance to a more visible higher level. To mention just one struggle, this is exactly what Narmada Bachao Andolan had done. Given the broad mass base and support from &#8216;civil society&#8217;, the state did not dare to escalate its forms of repression even if it wanted to, and the World Bank fled from the scene.</p>
<p>In more recent times, Nandigram and Lalgarh are shining examples of how indigenous people&#8217;s movements against the loot and repression of agents of neo-liberalisation can arise and develop with broad support. In both cases, however, a disasterous &#8216;revolutionary&#8217; politics attempted to exploit the opportunity by intervening with the promise of immediate armed struggle. This was done by creating conditions of violence far beyond the level of development of a struggle; this invited immediate escalation of repression by the state; the original movement is left with no option but to take up arms; state repression increases even further; the leaders go underground&#8211;the movement is destroyed.</p>
<p>Specifically:</p>
<p>1. In Nandigram, the impressive movement of the people forced the Govt. to withdraw the plan for the chemical hub from that area. Instead of building up on that victory, the Trinamool-&#8217;Maoist&#8217; alliance began to intimidate, kill, and expel local CPM cadres in large numbers to capture the area. This led to invasion of harmads, which was responded to by arming selective groups, digging trenches, etc. Militaristic preparations took over the democratic organisations of the people. The state found the justification to enhance repression, the leaders fled the scene, the movement collapsed.</p>
<p>2. In Lalgarh, the historical deprivation of people created conditions for a democratic struggle which was building up when the &#8216;maoists&#8217; intervened by attempting to blow up the Chief Minister. The state got every excuse to let its security forces loose on the unprepared people, and the familiar scenario followed.</p>
<p>The history of people&#8217;s struggles in the Dandakaranya area is much longer and, hence, more complicated. But a detailed analysis of steps over the years is likely to show the same pattern.</p>
<p>Such people&#8217;s movements are typically hijacked when the</p>
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		<title>By: Manash</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Manash]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 10:38:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;My fear is that because of this economic interest the government and establishment actually needs a war. It needs to militarize. For that it needs an enemy. And so in a way what the Muslims were to BJP, the Maoists are to Congress.....

If I was a person who is being dispossessed, whose wife has been raped, who is being pushed of their land and who is being faced with this &#039;police force&#039;, I would say that I am justified in taking up arms. If that is the only way I have to defend myself,&quot; 

Arundhati Roy (forthcoming interview with Karan Thapar in IBNLive).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;My fear is that because of this economic interest the government and establishment actually needs a war. It needs to militarize. For that it needs an enemy. And so in a way what the Muslims were to BJP, the Maoists are to Congress&#8230;..</p>
<p>If I was a person who is being dispossessed, whose wife has been raped, who is being pushed of their land and who is being faced with this &#8216;police force&#8217;, I would say that I am justified in taking up arms. If that is the only way I have to defend myself,&#8221; </p>
<p>Arundhati Roy (forthcoming interview with Karan Thapar in IBNLive).</p>
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		<title>By: A concerned citizen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[A concerned citizen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 07:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For all their huffing and puffing against &quot;neoliberal&quot; policies, the Left in India need to study economics. India has made economic progress &quot;only&quot; after it opened up its economy!!! Please check BPL numbers before and after.  Please check what percentage of people have got into middle class category. No country in the world has progressed with Leftist ideology....it just shocks me that so called intellectuals can go on supporting murderous Left ideologies of Mao, Lenin and Stalin which represses people, keeps them poor, puts them in gulags all in the name of &quot;dictatorship of the proletariat&quot;! Does the Left have ANY viable solution to the problems faced by our country (mostly perpetuated by Nehruvian socialist policies)? No! Because of its intransigent attitude to labour laws, millions of unorganised sector workers remain without rights!!! Because of ridiculous policy of reservation in our education, the concept of merit has lost all meaning.  Only your caste or religion or sex matter!!!! Why don&#039;t these so called &quot;intellectuals&quot; EVER speak out about these issues instead of supporting uncontrolled violence by people who want to hide their bloodlust in the guise of &quot;justice for the poor&quot;???]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all their huffing and puffing against &#8220;neoliberal&#8221; policies, the Left in India need to study economics. India has made economic progress &#8220;only&#8221; after it opened up its economy!!! Please check BPL numbers before and after.  Please check what percentage of people have got into middle class category. No country in the world has progressed with Leftist ideology&#8230;.it just shocks me that so called intellectuals can go on supporting murderous Left ideologies of Mao, Lenin and Stalin which represses people, keeps them poor, puts them in gulags all in the name of &#8220;dictatorship of the proletariat&#8221;! Does the Left have ANY viable solution to the problems faced by our country (mostly perpetuated by Nehruvian socialist policies)? No! Because of its intransigent attitude to labour laws, millions of unorganised sector workers remain without rights!!! Because of ridiculous policy of reservation in our education, the concept of merit has lost all meaning.  Only your caste or religion or sex matter!!!! Why don&#8217;t these so called &#8220;intellectuals&#8221; EVER speak out about these issues instead of supporting uncontrolled violence by people who want to hide their bloodlust in the guise of &#8220;justice for the poor&#8221;???</p>
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		<title>By: Anant M.</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anant M.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 02:10:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Aditya,

It is tempting to dismiss the charge of being liberal  humanist against Balagopal as garbage and move on to more important things. Indeed that would be an appropriate response if it were only a matter of a handful of ideologues flinging words they do not understand.

Unfortunately, Balagopal wrote only one article in Telugu and another in English where he made explicit his questions for Marxism and gave an all too brief interview in 2001 to clarify on his explorations in humanist approaches to Marxism e.g. Frankfurt School and British cultural materialism.  A lot of the discussions and attempt to retheorize democratic rights in APCLC and HRF remain undocumented as, he and his colleagues focused entirely on &#039;local&#039; practice. This has to be rectified at some point. 

As of now, it is undeniable that Indian Marxists, at least the orthodox variety, find little of value in his thought and it is in liberal humanist ideological complexes that Balagopal gets invoked every now and then. 

I paste here a link to the one English article where he responded to Sumanta Banerjee on the question of Communalism and went on to raise questions about Marxism. 
http://balagopal.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/balagopal-democracy.pdf

The questions he raises here resonate with the sort of issues that Stuart Hall was raising in the  80s and 90s in British politics - the dangers of a Marxism that failed to yield or yield to a theory of subjectivity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Aditya,</p>
<p>It is tempting to dismiss the charge of being liberal  humanist against Balagopal as garbage and move on to more important things. Indeed that would be an appropriate response if it were only a matter of a handful of ideologues flinging words they do not understand.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, Balagopal wrote only one article in Telugu and another in English where he made explicit his questions for Marxism and gave an all too brief interview in 2001 to clarify on his explorations in humanist approaches to Marxism e.g. Frankfurt School and British cultural materialism.  A lot of the discussions and attempt to retheorize democratic rights in APCLC and HRF remain undocumented as, he and his colleagues focused entirely on &#8216;local&#8217; practice. This has to be rectified at some point. </p>
<p>As of now, it is undeniable that Indian Marxists, at least the orthodox variety, find little of value in his thought and it is in liberal humanist ideological complexes that Balagopal gets invoked every now and then. </p>
<p>I paste here a link to the one English article where he responded to Sumanta Banerjee on the question of Communalism and went on to raise questions about Marxism.<br />
<a href="http://balagopal.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/balagopal-democracy.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://balagopal.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/balagopal-democracy.pdf</a></p>
<p>The questions he raises here resonate with the sort of issues that Stuart Hall was raising in the  80s and 90s in British politics &#8211; the dangers of a Marxism that failed to yield or yield to a theory of subjectivity.</p>
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		<title>By: Fujimoto</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fujimoto]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Oct 2009 00:26:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Noam Chomsky is getting old. He has lost his marbles. He thinks Tamils are persecuted in Sri Lanka. Little does he know Muttiah Muralitharan, a Tamil, is Sri Lanka&#039;s national hero!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Noam Chomsky is getting old. He has lost his marbles. He thinks Tamils are persecuted in Sri Lanka. Little does he know Muttiah Muralitharan, a Tamil, is Sri Lanka&#8217;s national hero!</p>
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		<title>By: Andaleeb</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andaleeb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 22:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why is the government bent on clearing tribals NOW? The following report may have some clue.

A silent hunt for dissent

Krishnamurthy Ramasubbu

10 am, October 12 — Jagdalpur, Bastar district headquarters town in Chhattisgarh, looks like a ghost town. Large areas around the collector’s office have been cordoned off. Around 50 tribals sit in a hall waiting for a public hearing of the environmental impact assessment report of Tata Steel’s proposed Rs 10,000-crore greenfield steel project in the district’s Lohandiguda block.

It’s noon by the time officials of the district administration and Tata Steel arrive. Sashi Bhu­shan Prasad, head of Tata’s environmental division, is presenting the report. His start is dramatic: “One hundred and twenty-five years ago, Jamsetji Nusserwanji Tata had a dream for a village in Jharkhand, and that is Jamshedpur. It was many times worse than our Bastar.”

This is followed by, “Carbon steel…electrostatic precipitators…sodium and nitrogen oxides…automatic combustion control systems. Our technology will be better than the best in the world or at least equivalent. I will skip the technical things because you won’t appreciate them.”

The audience pays no attention. For a project that will take up around 5,000 acres of tribal land comprising 11 villages, use a large quantity of water from the river Sabari and will pollute the Indravati, the audience is surprisingly disinterested. After the presentation, the collector asks if there is any objection. Total silence. No one has any objection, but Tata’s project has not progressed beyond paper work and presentations since it signed an MoU with the state government in 2005.

Guarded tour

3 pm-4 pm — The hearing is over. The audience walks out towards a waiting posse of security personnel. Asked about the hearing, some pretend not to hear. One of them says, “We are from around Bastar...we have come on a tour.” They are loaded into a convoy of jeeps arranged by the government. That was the public hearing.

Reportedly, the collector told the press later, “The public hearing was successful. The people of Bastar should be congratulated.”

Two days earlier, on October 10, people from about a dozen villages near Raigarh expressed their opinion on another proposed plant, of Visa Steel and Power, by burning public property worth Rs 20 lakh at a public hearing.

At Lohandiguda village, where Tata Steel is setting up shop, village panchayat chairman Budram Kashyap is asked why he did not attend the public hearing. “We were not allowed,’’ he says. ‘‘There was a blockade outside Lohandi­guda.” People at Kumli village nearby say Tata men blocked the roads.

In these villages, Tata Steel is not a happy name, although they claim to have paid compensation for 70-75 per cent of the land in Lohandi­guda and the 10 surrounding villages.

“Some people here were willing but others were not. In the other 10 villages, they don’t want to give land at all,” says Kashyap. “Even people who took compensation money were pressured. There is pressure from the government that is difficult to resist.”

Fear of imprisonment

The people of the other 10 villages, Badanji, Bade Paroda, Belar, Beliapal, Chindgaon, Dabpal, Dhuragaon, Kumli, Sirisaguda and Takra­guda, feel likewise.

It is harvest season and a group of farmers are loading a trailer with the new paddy at Kumli. Farmer Pandey Nath says his land is not being acquired but he still opposes Tata. ‘‘Tomorrow they will have a factory near my land, pollute it and edge me out. No one wants to sell but they have all taken money now. No one was taking initially, so they sent three or four people to jail to set an example. They did impersonation, faked papers and everything they could to show that compensation had been paid,” he says to the collective nods of 10 other farmers whose lands are being acquired.

Tata and the state government have promised jobs, better infrastructure, education and hea­lthcare, but people seem unmoved. “I have been to Jamshedpur,” says Kashyap. ‘‘The children of Tata employees are educated. When Tata opens here, will they give us jobs or them? If Tata were serious, they could have trained the unemployed youth of Lohandiguda.’’

Tribal lands are shared and each parcel has 10 to 50 people dependent on it, according to the tribals. A single job for each piece of land will not help. Sources say Tata Steel has spent more than Rs 150 crore over the last four years to ‘‘create goodwill’’. But in villages like Kumli, the charm offensive has plainly not worked.

Pankaj Nath is clear about the general mood. “We will take up weapons,’’ he says bleakly. ‘‘The men will fight with their hoes and the women with their sickles.”

Kamal Gajviye, a CPI member and farmer at Kumli, is losing his land to the project. “The collector has often accused me of being a Naxalite. I am not. But I will become one, if this continues. They will all become Naxalites.”

The government says there is no resistance to land acquisition, or blames it on Maoists. A high-ranking police official says people “right now’’ are unsafe because of the Maoists and subject to their pressure. ‘‘Once people are sec­ure, they can decide freely. Then if they do not want the project, it should be fine.”

Ask Kashyap about this pressure from Maoists, who allegedly eliminated Vimal Meshram for acting as Tata Steel’s broker in Lohandiguda, and his reply is, “This man was killed for doing brokerage work for Tata. But there is no Maoist pressure. We never see them. How can they inti­midate or pressure us?”

Lohandiguda does not have CRPF deployment, but later this year, along with other pla­ces in north Bastar, it could see paramilitary units, as part of Operation Green Hunt, a central government offensive against Maoists. Once they arrive, it might be difficult to expr­ess such dissent freely.

Three hours away by bus, in the south Bastar villages of Dhurli and Bhansi in Dantewada district where Essar is planning a Rs 7,000-crore greenfield steel plant, the CRPF’s constant presence makes a difference. At Bhansi, a group of men from the paramilitary security force are having breakfast when the village panchayat chairman comes. He refuses to talk about Essar, “I won’t talk about Essar. Two of my friends were murdered over it.”

‘Kill us first’

At Dhurli, the panchayat chairman has run away, “Oh…,’’ says one of the men at a tea stall. ‘‘He stays in Dantewada fearing the Naxals. He probably took money from Essar.” Samruram Mar­kam, the village kotwari, says it is ‘‘a little pea­ceful now’’, but last year it was bad. ‘‘The collector is with them (Essar), so they come in with the force and threaten us. Essar came in 2005 and along with them came the CRPF camp.”

The restive mood of Lohandiguda is missing in these villages. “In case our land is taken by force,” says Markam, ‘‘we have decided to asse­mble all the men, women, cattle, goat, chicken and dogs, and ask them to kill us before taking the land. We will die anyway without our land.’’ There’s a note of despair in his voice.

In Raipur, N Baijendra Kumar, principal secretary to the chief minister, says mining projects have not taken off in Bastar because, “44 per cent of Bastar is forest and most of our mine­ral resources are beneath that. Environmental iss­ues come with the application of the Forest Act. Also, with tribals we have seen emotional problems when it comes to land.”

He denies any direct relation between Green Hunt and mining or related activities, “There is no direct link. Some activists are trying to show a correlation. The operation will improve everything, health, education, infrastructure. Obviously it will also improve mining.”

At Dhurli, an old woman drops her washing to chat, “Is it true that many soldiers are going to come next month? They say they will cut us up and throw away our bodies, after Diwali.... Is it true? ” It’s hard to answer that.

— krishnamurthy.ramasubbu@gmail.com

The threat of a desi East India Company

The Chhattisgarh government has been insisting on setting up steel plants in the state to ensure value addition. Chief minister Raman Singh had said that companies should not behave like the East India Company and cart away only mineral raw

materials from the state. As part of this plan Tata’s plant is planned in North Bastar, while Essar’s plant is planned in South Bastar.

Company: Tata Steel

Location: Lohandiguda block, Bastar district

Displacement: 11 villages

Land: 5,050 acres approximately

Product: Steel from iron ore

Capacity: 5.5 million tonnes per annum

Estimated cost: Rs 10,000 crore

Company: Essar Steel

Location: Dhurli and Bhansi villages, Dantewada district

Displacement: 2 villages

Land: 1500 acres approximately

Product: Steel from iron ore

Capacity: 3.2 million tonnes per annum

Estimated cost: Rs 7,000 crore]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is the government bent on clearing tribals NOW? The following report may have some clue.</p>
<p>A silent hunt for dissent</p>
<p>Krishnamurthy Ramasubbu</p>
<p>10 am, October 12 — Jagdalpur, Bastar district headquarters town in Chhattisgarh, looks like a ghost town. Large areas around the collector’s office have been cordoned off. Around 50 tribals sit in a hall waiting for a public hearing of the environmental impact assessment report of Tata Steel’s proposed Rs 10,000-crore greenfield steel project in the district’s Lohandiguda block.</p>
<p>It’s noon by the time officials of the district administration and Tata Steel arrive. Sashi Bhu­shan Prasad, head of Tata’s environmental division, is presenting the report. His start is dramatic: “One hundred and twenty-five years ago, Jamsetji Nusserwanji Tata had a dream for a village in Jharkhand, and that is Jamshedpur. It was many times worse than our Bastar.”</p>
<p>This is followed by, “Carbon steel…electrostatic precipitators…sodium and nitrogen oxides…automatic combustion control systems. Our technology will be better than the best in the world or at least equivalent. I will skip the technical things because you won’t appreciate them.”</p>
<p>The audience pays no attention. For a project that will take up around 5,000 acres of tribal land comprising 11 villages, use a large quantity of water from the river Sabari and will pollute the Indravati, the audience is surprisingly disinterested. After the presentation, the collector asks if there is any objection. Total silence. No one has any objection, but Tata’s project has not progressed beyond paper work and presentations since it signed an MoU with the state government in 2005.</p>
<p>Guarded tour</p>
<p>3 pm-4 pm — The hearing is over. The audience walks out towards a waiting posse of security personnel. Asked about the hearing, some pretend not to hear. One of them says, “We are from around Bastar&#8230;we have come on a tour.” They are loaded into a convoy of jeeps arranged by the government. That was the public hearing.</p>
<p>Reportedly, the collector told the press later, “The public hearing was successful. The people of Bastar should be congratulated.”</p>
<p>Two days earlier, on October 10, people from about a dozen villages near Raigarh expressed their opinion on another proposed plant, of Visa Steel and Power, by burning public property worth Rs 20 lakh at a public hearing.</p>
<p>At Lohandiguda village, where Tata Steel is setting up shop, village panchayat chairman Budram Kashyap is asked why he did not attend the public hearing. “We were not allowed,’’ he says. ‘‘There was a blockade outside Lohandi­guda.” People at Kumli village nearby say Tata men blocked the roads.</p>
<p>In these villages, Tata Steel is not a happy name, although they claim to have paid compensation for 70-75 per cent of the land in Lohandi­guda and the 10 surrounding villages.</p>
<p>“Some people here were willing but others were not. In the other 10 villages, they don’t want to give land at all,” says Kashyap. “Even people who took compensation money were pressured. There is pressure from the government that is difficult to resist.”</p>
<p>Fear of imprisonment</p>
<p>The people of the other 10 villages, Badanji, Bade Paroda, Belar, Beliapal, Chindgaon, Dabpal, Dhuragaon, Kumli, Sirisaguda and Takra­guda, feel likewise.</p>
<p>It is harvest season and a group of farmers are loading a trailer with the new paddy at Kumli. Farmer Pandey Nath says his land is not being acquired but he still opposes Tata. ‘‘Tomorrow they will have a factory near my land, pollute it and edge me out. No one wants to sell but they have all taken money now. No one was taking initially, so they sent three or four people to jail to set an example. They did impersonation, faked papers and everything they could to show that compensation had been paid,” he says to the collective nods of 10 other farmers whose lands are being acquired.</p>
<p>Tata and the state government have promised jobs, better infrastructure, education and hea­lthcare, but people seem unmoved. “I have been to Jamshedpur,” says Kashyap. ‘‘The children of Tata employees are educated. When Tata opens here, will they give us jobs or them? If Tata were serious, they could have trained the unemployed youth of Lohandiguda.’’</p>
<p>Tribal lands are shared and each parcel has 10 to 50 people dependent on it, according to the tribals. A single job for each piece of land will not help. Sources say Tata Steel has spent more than Rs 150 crore over the last four years to ‘‘create goodwill’’. But in villages like Kumli, the charm offensive has plainly not worked.</p>
<p>Pankaj Nath is clear about the general mood. “We will take up weapons,’’ he says bleakly. ‘‘The men will fight with their hoes and the women with their sickles.”</p>
<p>Kamal Gajviye, a CPI member and farmer at Kumli, is losing his land to the project. “The collector has often accused me of being a Naxalite. I am not. But I will become one, if this continues. They will all become Naxalites.”</p>
<p>The government says there is no resistance to land acquisition, or blames it on Maoists. A high-ranking police official says people “right now’’ are unsafe because of the Maoists and subject to their pressure. ‘‘Once people are sec­ure, they can decide freely. Then if they do not want the project, it should be fine.”</p>
<p>Ask Kashyap about this pressure from Maoists, who allegedly eliminated Vimal Meshram for acting as Tata Steel’s broker in Lohandiguda, and his reply is, “This man was killed for doing brokerage work for Tata. But there is no Maoist pressure. We never see them. How can they inti­midate or pressure us?”</p>
<p>Lohandiguda does not have CRPF deployment, but later this year, along with other pla­ces in north Bastar, it could see paramilitary units, as part of Operation Green Hunt, a central government offensive against Maoists. Once they arrive, it might be difficult to expr­ess such dissent freely.</p>
<p>Three hours away by bus, in the south Bastar villages of Dhurli and Bhansi in Dantewada district where Essar is planning a Rs 7,000-crore greenfield steel plant, the CRPF’s constant presence makes a difference. At Bhansi, a group of men from the paramilitary security force are having breakfast when the village panchayat chairman comes. He refuses to talk about Essar, “I won’t talk about Essar. Two of my friends were murdered over it.”</p>
<p>‘Kill us first’</p>
<p>At Dhurli, the panchayat chairman has run away, “Oh…,’’ says one of the men at a tea stall. ‘‘He stays in Dantewada fearing the Naxals. He probably took money from Essar.” Samruram Mar­kam, the village kotwari, says it is ‘‘a little pea­ceful now’’, but last year it was bad. ‘‘The collector is with them (Essar), so they come in with the force and threaten us. Essar came in 2005 and along with them came the CRPF camp.”</p>
<p>The restive mood of Lohandiguda is missing in these villages. “In case our land is taken by force,” says Markam, ‘‘we have decided to asse­mble all the men, women, cattle, goat, chicken and dogs, and ask them to kill us before taking the land. We will die anyway without our land.’’ There’s a note of despair in his voice.</p>
<p>In Raipur, N Baijendra Kumar, principal secretary to the chief minister, says mining projects have not taken off in Bastar because, “44 per cent of Bastar is forest and most of our mine­ral resources are beneath that. Environmental iss­ues come with the application of the Forest Act. Also, with tribals we have seen emotional problems when it comes to land.”</p>
<p>He denies any direct relation between Green Hunt and mining or related activities, “There is no direct link. Some activists are trying to show a correlation. The operation will improve everything, health, education, infrastructure. Obviously it will also improve mining.”</p>
<p>At Dhurli, an old woman drops her washing to chat, “Is it true that many soldiers are going to come next month? They say they will cut us up and throw away our bodies, after Diwali&#8230;. Is it true? ” It’s hard to answer that.</p>
<p>— <a href="mailto:krishnamurthy.ramasubbu@gmail.com">krishnamurthy.ramasubbu@gmail.com</a></p>
<p>The threat of a desi East India Company</p>
<p>The Chhattisgarh government has been insisting on setting up steel plants in the state to ensure value addition. Chief minister Raman Singh had said that companies should not behave like the East India Company and cart away only mineral raw</p>
<p>materials from the state. As part of this plan Tata’s plant is planned in North Bastar, while Essar’s plant is planned in South Bastar.</p>
<p>Company: Tata Steel</p>
<p>Location: Lohandiguda block, Bastar district</p>
<p>Displacement: 11 villages</p>
<p>Land: 5,050 acres approximately</p>
<p>Product: Steel from iron ore</p>
<p>Capacity: 5.5 million tonnes per annum</p>
<p>Estimated cost: Rs 10,000 crore</p>
<p>Company: Essar Steel</p>
<p>Location: Dhurli and Bhansi villages, Dantewada district</p>
<p>Displacement: 2 villages</p>
<p>Land: 1500 acres approximately</p>
<p>Product: Steel from iron ore</p>
<p>Capacity: 3.2 million tonnes per annum</p>
<p>Estimated cost: Rs 7,000 crore</p>
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		<title>By: dipak</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 18:17:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the letter by intellectuals is addressed to the prime minister. why should that contain criticism of the maoists ? the intellectuals do not need to tell the prime minister that they are good boys or girls who do not do naughty things.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the letter by intellectuals is addressed to the prime minister. why should that contain criticism of the maoists ? the intellectuals do not need to tell the prime minister that they are good boys or girls who do not do naughty things.</p>
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		<title>By: bijoy</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 14:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i think this is the time, we all need to learn little panchatantra story, which is originated before marx came into this world.

the moral of story is &quot;Unity is streangth&quot;.

&quot;Once upon a time, there was a flock of doves that flew in search of food led by their king. One day, they had flown a long distance and were very tired. The dove king encouraged them to fly a little further. The smallest dove picked up speed and found some rice scattered beneath a banyan tree. So all the doves landed and began to eat. 

Suddenly a net fell over them and they were all trapped. They saw a hunter approaching carrying a huge club. The doves desperately fluttered their wings trying to get out, but to no avail. 

The king had an idea. He advised all the doves to fly up together carrying the net with them. He said that there was strength in unity. 

Each dove picked up a portion of the net and together they flew off carrying the net with them. The hunter looked up in astonishment. He tried to follow them, but they were flying high over hills and valleys. They flew to a hill near a city of temples where there lived a mouse who could help them. He was a faithful friend of the dove king.

When the mouse heard the loud noise of their approach, he went into hiding. The dove king gently called out to him and then the mouse was happy to see him. The dove king explained that they had been caught in a trap and needed the mouse&#039;s help to gnaw at the net with his teeth and set them free. 

The mouse agreed saying that he would set the king free first. The king insisted that he first free his subjects and the king last. The mouse understood the king&#039;s feelings and compled with his wishes. He began to cut the net and one by one all the doves were freed including the dove king. 

They all thanked the mouse and flew away together, united in their strength.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think this is the time, we all need to learn little panchatantra story, which is originated before marx came into this world.</p>
<p>the moral of story is &#8220;Unity is streangth&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;Once upon a time, there was a flock of doves that flew in search of food led by their king. One day, they had flown a long distance and were very tired. The dove king encouraged them to fly a little further. The smallest dove picked up speed and found some rice scattered beneath a banyan tree. So all the doves landed and began to eat. </p>
<p>Suddenly a net fell over them and they were all trapped. They saw a hunter approaching carrying a huge club. The doves desperately fluttered their wings trying to get out, but to no avail. </p>
<p>The king had an idea. He advised all the doves to fly up together carrying the net with them. He said that there was strength in unity. </p>
<p>Each dove picked up a portion of the net and together they flew off carrying the net with them. The hunter looked up in astonishment. He tried to follow them, but they were flying high over hills and valleys. They flew to a hill near a city of temples where there lived a mouse who could help them. He was a faithful friend of the dove king.</p>
<p>When the mouse heard the loud noise of their approach, he went into hiding. The dove king gently called out to him and then the mouse was happy to see him. The dove king explained that they had been caught in a trap and needed the mouse&#8217;s help to gnaw at the net with his teeth and set them free. </p>
<p>The mouse agreed saying that he would set the king free first. The king insisted that he first free his subjects and the king last. The mouse understood the king&#8217;s feelings and compled with his wishes. He began to cut the net and one by one all the doves were freed including the dove king. </p>
<p>They all thanked the mouse and flew away together, united in their strength.</p>
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		<title>By: abhijit mazumdar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[abhijit mazumdar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 12:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[while grossly agreeing with nirmalengshu&#039;s critique of Maoists vis-a-vis state terrorism, i believe that the the arguments posited thereof needs some more fine tuning.
 
1) I disagree with the author of the letter that during the 60&#039;s the naxalites unilaterally ambushed their leftist collegues in CPM,CPI etc. it would definitely be a travesty of truth if someone fails to recall the field roles of so called brethren joining hands with congress goons in mass scale massacres in Kashipur, Baranagar , Konnagarh etc. And also the &quot;ideological support&#039; supplied to it by Jyoti,Pramod et al.21st century Cong-CPM brotherhood within &amp; without parliament is a convincing enuf proof of such a long camaraderie between the &#039;feuding&#039; partners of plunder.
 
2) Neither Kanu sanyal nor Ashim chaterjee represents the true spirit of revolutionary left in india. they had long before capitulated to CPM designs and betrayed the mass in their own ways.
 
3)  while legitimising state terror the maoists must not be singled out. Indian state under manmohan-chidambaram-montek variety has ushered in a unique brand of loot and repression in several states of our country. Indian democracy speaks of &#039;development&#039; that has a clear ring of genocide, so briliantly put forward by Arundhati Roy in her latest book&#039; Listening to Grashoppers&#039;. Before becoming the finance minister under rajiv gandhi in early 1990s , chidambaram served the tainted plunderer ENRON as being the &#039;Devil&#039;s Advocate&quot;. he has been a member of the board of directors of Vedanta, a multinational mining company devastating Niyamgiri hills in orissa. maoists or no maoists such bland variety of &#039;Nayebs of capitalist plunder&#039; would have adopted the severest state terror against any voice of resistance anywhere. His turbaned dada has also warned the citizens , one and all, that he won&#039;t tolerate even a little bit of people&#039;s resistance against the corporate miners, deshi or foreign.
 
simultaneously , i would very humbly add that maoists represent the blackblockist anarcho-militarist shade of revolutionary left in india. and their indiscriminate killing spree definitely harms the bourgeoning power of mass resistance , spreading across the country.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>while grossly agreeing with nirmalengshu&#8217;s critique of Maoists vis-a-vis state terrorism, i believe that the the arguments posited thereof needs some more fine tuning.</p>
<p>1) I disagree with the author of the letter that during the 60&#8242;s the naxalites unilaterally ambushed their leftist collegues in CPM,CPI etc. it would definitely be a travesty of truth if someone fails to recall the field roles of so called brethren joining hands with congress goons in mass scale massacres in Kashipur, Baranagar , Konnagarh etc. And also the &#8220;ideological support&#8217; supplied to it by Jyoti,Pramod et al.21st century Cong-CPM brotherhood within &amp; without parliament is a convincing enuf proof of such a long camaraderie between the &#8216;feuding&#8217; partners of plunder.</p>
<p>2) Neither Kanu sanyal nor Ashim chaterjee represents the true spirit of revolutionary left in india. they had long before capitulated to CPM designs and betrayed the mass in their own ways.</p>
<p>3)  while legitimising state terror the maoists must not be singled out. Indian state under manmohan-chidambaram-montek variety has ushered in a unique brand of loot and repression in several states of our country. Indian democracy speaks of &#8216;development&#8217; that has a clear ring of genocide, so briliantly put forward by Arundhati Roy in her latest book&#8217; Listening to Grashoppers&#8217;. Before becoming the finance minister under rajiv gandhi in early 1990s , chidambaram served the tainted plunderer ENRON as being the &#8216;Devil&#8217;s Advocate&#8221;. he has been a member of the board of directors of Vedanta, a multinational mining company devastating Niyamgiri hills in orissa. maoists or no maoists such bland variety of &#8216;Nayebs of capitalist plunder&#8217; would have adopted the severest state terror against any voice of resistance anywhere. His turbaned dada has also warned the citizens , one and all, that he won&#8217;t tolerate even a little bit of people&#8217;s resistance against the corporate miners, deshi or foreign.</p>
<p>simultaneously , i would very humbly add that maoists represent the blackblockist anarcho-militarist shade of revolutionary left in india. and their indiscriminate killing spree definitely harms the bourgeoning power of mass resistance , spreading across the country.</p>
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		<title>By: bijoy</title>
		<link>http://kafila.org/2009/10/21/open-letter-to-noam-chomsky-nirmalangshu-mukherjee/#comment-7631</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bijoy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 08:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pls read &quot;left moment&quot; as &quot;left movement&quot;. Sorry for the mistake.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pls read &#8220;left moment&#8221; as &#8220;left movement&#8221;. Sorry for the mistake.</p>
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		<title>By: bijoy</title>
		<link>http://kafila.org/2009/10/21/open-letter-to-noam-chomsky-nirmalangshu-mukherjee/#comment-7630</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bijoy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 08:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The left leaned intellectuals have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it. 

I agree with Nirmalangshu Mukherjee in saying that these maoists menace will halt the entire left moment in India for sometime.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The left leaned intellectuals have only interpreted the world, in various ways; the point is to change it. </p>
<p>I agree with Nirmalangshu Mukherjee in saying that these maoists menace will halt the entire left moment in India for sometime.</p>
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		<title>By: a tired reader</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[a tired reader]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 08:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My god lenin&#039;s words are here again :). I know comrades who would quote x quotation from y page of lenin&#039;s work z to defend their views and those in the other camp quoting from the same lenin to oppose that using another work by lenin. It seems that generation after generation marxists use the same technique time and again with glee or perhaps with smug satisfaction.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My god lenin&#8217;s words are here again :). I know comrades who would quote x quotation from y page of lenin&#8217;s work z to defend their views and those in the other camp quoting from the same lenin to oppose that using another work by lenin. It seems that generation after generation marxists use the same technique time and again with glee or perhaps with smug satisfaction.</p>
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		<title>By: a tired reader</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[a tired reader]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 08:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am tired of these intellectuals, their statements and those who issue statements on statements.
They all seem to assume too much and seem to sign statements without trying to educate themselves on issues.In case of Sonal Shah too a statement was issued and some academics who knew her and had worked with her had to defend her. How many of those who had signed the statement against her appointment had bothered to check the facts and know the views  from both sides before appending their name and signature.
In this case I wonder how many of these academics who have signed this letter/statement know how much about the maoists or what is happening in the states or what are the issues or had bothered to read the views of all sides to the debate.
The Prof NM is no better. He rushes to issue
judgments on recent events as if the issues have been settled once and for all.  He does not even get the basic facts right about the post1948 history of Sri Lanka. The herd mentality among these intellectuals is pathetic. If the issue is about condeming all forms of violence, by the state or those who are against it, it could have been addressed differently. There is more heat than light on this issue in the letter or in the responses here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am tired of these intellectuals, their statements and those who issue statements on statements.<br />
They all seem to assume too much and seem to sign statements without trying to educate themselves on issues.In case of Sonal Shah too a statement was issued and some academics who knew her and had worked with her had to defend her. How many of those who had signed the statement against her appointment had bothered to check the facts and know the views  from both sides before appending their name and signature.<br />
In this case I wonder how many of these academics who have signed this letter/statement know how much about the maoists or what is happening in the states or what are the issues or had bothered to read the views of all sides to the debate.<br />
The Prof NM is no better. He rushes to issue<br />
judgments on recent events as if the issues have been settled once and for all.  He does not even get the basic facts right about the post1948 history of Sri Lanka. The herd mentality among these intellectuals is pathetic. If the issue is about condeming all forms of violence, by the state or those who are against it, it could have been addressed differently. There is more heat than light on this issue in the letter or in the responses here.</p>
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		<title>By: magisterludi</title>
		<link>http://kafila.org/2009/10/21/open-letter-to-noam-chomsky-nirmalangshu-mukherjee/#comment-7625</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[magisterludi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 05:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Aniket, it looks like you think many of the world&#039;s left-leaning intellectuals and other keen observers are idiots. Hope the confidence pays off in 2011.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aniket, it looks like you think many of the world&#8217;s left-leaning intellectuals and other keen observers are idiots. Hope the confidence pays off in 2011.</p>
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		<title>By: wd</title>
		<link>http://kafila.org/2009/10/21/open-letter-to-noam-chomsky-nirmalangshu-mukherjee/#comment-7624</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[wd]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 04:20:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem with Nirmalangshu is that he assumes too many things about too many people. 1) LTTE trained the Maoists (obviously the state&#039;s intelligence says so); 2) sanhati people (who as far as I know come from almost all the streams of left - both independent and party-affiliated (except perhaps CPI and CPIM)) who wrote the statement &quot;deliberately&quot; distort the picture; etc.

By his LTTE-Maoists analogy he &#039;deliberately&#039; means to tell the Maoists that look LTTE is dead, now you will be so too. Again here, he assumes that LTTE is already delegitimised, because they stand defeated (this is what Indian intelligence says.)

Prof sahib, why don&#039;t you go beyond reading reports from the Hindu, and use your philosopher mind?

&quot;In Sri Lanka, a vast freedom movement of Tamil nationalism arose about three decades ago. As the movement became progressively militant, it gave rise to a formidable militarist organisation: Liberation Tigers of Tamil Elam (LTTE). LTTE declared armed struggle, systematically eliminated all other groups advocating Tamil liberation, took to the jungles, and launched a civil war.&quot;

Let&#039;s not take media and intelligence narratives as they are. Let&#039;s ponder over if something &quot;became&quot; so, why did it become so. THIS IS NOT FOR JUSTIFYING WHAT LTTE OR MAOISTS ARE, BUT TO UNDERSTAND THEM AND THEIR CONTEXT, WHY THEY ARE  WHAT THEY ARE. Like biased-anchors in the electronic media, perhaps, you may say why go into history? Or you will say this is not the place to explain everything, but then why do you expect Sanhati to write everything in the statement?

Sorry for my own assumptions about you. We are all together in this habit of assuming too much.

Aniket: don&#039;t you think we are all better as &#039;idiots&#039; at this juncture, rather than being worldly wise - serving buddha and manmohan.?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with Nirmalangshu is that he assumes too many things about too many people. 1) LTTE trained the Maoists (obviously the state&#8217;s intelligence says so); 2) sanhati people (who as far as I know come from almost all the streams of left &#8211; both independent and party-affiliated (except perhaps CPI and CPIM)) who wrote the statement &#8220;deliberately&#8221; distort the picture; etc.</p>
<p>By his LTTE-Maoists analogy he &#8216;deliberately&#8217; means to tell the Maoists that look LTTE is dead, now you will be so too. Again here, he assumes that LTTE is already delegitimised, because they stand defeated (this is what Indian intelligence says.)</p>
<p>Prof sahib, why don&#8217;t you go beyond reading reports from the Hindu, and use your philosopher mind?</p>
<p>&#8220;In Sri Lanka, a vast freedom movement of Tamil nationalism arose about three decades ago. As the movement became progressively militant, it gave rise to a formidable militarist organisation: Liberation Tigers of Tamil Elam (LTTE). LTTE declared armed struggle, systematically eliminated all other groups advocating Tamil liberation, took to the jungles, and launched a civil war.&#8221;</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s not take media and intelligence narratives as they are. Let&#8217;s ponder over if something &#8220;became&#8221; so, why did it become so. THIS IS NOT FOR JUSTIFYING WHAT LTTE OR MAOISTS ARE, BUT TO UNDERSTAND THEM AND THEIR CONTEXT, WHY THEY ARE  WHAT THEY ARE. Like biased-anchors in the electronic media, perhaps, you may say why go into history? Or you will say this is not the place to explain everything, but then why do you expect Sanhati to write everything in the statement?</p>
<p>Sorry for my own assumptions about you. We are all together in this habit of assuming too much.</p>
<p>Aniket: don&#8217;t you think we are all better as &#8216;idiots&#8217; at this juncture, rather than being worldly wise &#8211; serving buddha and manmohan.?</p>
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		<title>By: RG</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[RG]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 03:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I think the statement deliberately distorts the picture by not incorporating the crucial CPI (Maoist) factor which is central to the issue of Operation Greenhunt FOR NOW. This was palpably unfair practice &quot;  Nirmalangshu accuses Sanhati of unfair practice of deliberate distortion  of the real picture. How does he know what was Sanhati&#039;s motive ? Did he have any discussions with members of Sanhati ?  Did he talk to the intellectuals who were part of the drafting of the statement ? Without giving us any proof, Nirmalangshu shoots off his mouth. It does not portray a nice picture of him. Perhaps members of Kafila could have written a better critique rather than riding along  with a person who seems to have some agenda of his own.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think the statement deliberately distorts the picture by not incorporating the crucial CPI (Maoist) factor which is central to the issue of Operation Greenhunt FOR NOW. This was palpably unfair practice &#8221;  Nirmalangshu accuses Sanhati of unfair practice of deliberate distortion  of the real picture. How does he know what was Sanhati&#8217;s motive ? Did he have any discussions with members of Sanhati ?  Did he talk to the intellectuals who were part of the drafting of the statement ? Without giving us any proof, Nirmalangshu shoots off his mouth. It does not portray a nice picture of him. Perhaps members of Kafila could have written a better critique rather than riding along  with a person who seems to have some agenda of his own.</p>
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		<title>By: Sanjeev Mahajan</title>
		<link>http://kafila.org/2009/10/21/open-letter-to-noam-chomsky-nirmalangshu-mukherjee/#comment-7622</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sanjeev Mahajan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 00:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nirmalangshu&#039;s response is quite silly. Every sentence is either pretentious or simply meaningless. What does &quot;student of his thoughts on language and on imperial order&quot; mean? Chomsky just does not have &quot;thoughts&quot; on language, he has theories. And what does &quot;radical thought&quot; mean? If you read Chomsky, he uses mainstream sources and State Department documents to buttress his watertight arguments. Chomsky has explicitly said many a times that the only &#039;ism&#039; he believes in in truism, and has no use for high falutin philosophies or ideologies. To emphasize that his views are not marginal or radical, he repeatedly quotes polls in the US media showing how the American population is far to the left of even the leftmost end of the elite opinion.

It is also interesting that he never addresses the question of why he addresses his open letter just to Chomsky. He says that he did not have emails of other folks, but in these days of internet, that is somewhat hard to believe. Besides, since the letter he wrote was an open letter, why could he not address it to all the folks who signed the letter. Another reason he gives is that Chomsky matters. I guess, in his opinion, that should settle the matter, but I still don&#039;t see how that answers the question of why the letter was only addressed to Chomsky, since he is only ONE among the many signatories.

He says that the analogy with Vietnam is unthoughtful, but does not explain why. He says that the Maoist factor is central to Operation Greenhunt. That should be music to state&#039;s ears, since that is exactly what they want people to believe. Does it not occur to him that the state may be using Maoism is a subterfuge to discipline dissent, and to aggressively pursue its neo-liberal policies? I won&#039;t say that that is what the state exactly wants to do, but has not the Maoist &#039;menace&#039; come at a convenient time for the state.

And I find this excessive importance given to intellectuals somewhat distasteful. I don&#039;t think, as Chomsky does too, that anything deep or interesting has been discovered in human affairs, that ordinary people cannot figure out for themselves.

Sanjeev]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nirmalangshu&#8217;s response is quite silly. Every sentence is either pretentious or simply meaningless. What does &#8220;student of his thoughts on language and on imperial order&#8221; mean? Chomsky just does not have &#8220;thoughts&#8221; on language, he has theories. And what does &#8220;radical thought&#8221; mean? If you read Chomsky, he uses mainstream sources and State Department documents to buttress his watertight arguments. Chomsky has explicitly said many a times that the only &#8216;ism&#8217; he believes in in truism, and has no use for high falutin philosophies or ideologies. To emphasize that his views are not marginal or radical, he repeatedly quotes polls in the US media showing how the American population is far to the left of even the leftmost end of the elite opinion.</p>
<p>It is also interesting that he never addresses the question of why he addresses his open letter just to Chomsky. He says that he did not have emails of other folks, but in these days of internet, that is somewhat hard to believe. Besides, since the letter he wrote was an open letter, why could he not address it to all the folks who signed the letter. Another reason he gives is that Chomsky matters. I guess, in his opinion, that should settle the matter, but I still don&#8217;t see how that answers the question of why the letter was only addressed to Chomsky, since he is only ONE among the many signatories.</p>
<p>He says that the analogy with Vietnam is unthoughtful, but does not explain why. He says that the Maoist factor is central to Operation Greenhunt. That should be music to state&#8217;s ears, since that is exactly what they want people to believe. Does it not occur to him that the state may be using Maoism is a subterfuge to discipline dissent, and to aggressively pursue its neo-liberal policies? I won&#8217;t say that that is what the state exactly wants to do, but has not the Maoist &#8216;menace&#8217; come at a convenient time for the state.</p>
<p>And I find this excessive importance given to intellectuals somewhat distasteful. I don&#8217;t think, as Chomsky does too, that anything deep or interesting has been discovered in human affairs, that ordinary people cannot figure out for themselves.</p>
<p>Sanjeev</p>
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		<title>By: Prashant</title>
		<link>http://kafila.org/2009/10/21/open-letter-to-noam-chomsky-nirmalangshu-mukherjee/#comment-7621</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Prashant]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 19:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I want to commend Nirmalangshu Mukherjee for making explicit the counter-intuitive complicity between &#039;radical&#039; urban intellectuals and the CPI(Maoist). I don&#039;t think the dogmatic and violent exclusion of alternative and undeniably real modes of resistance to the state&#039;s violence should surprise anyone who observed how the LTTE wiped out any form of Tamil resistance to Sinhala chauvinism other than their own; how a similar exclusion has been at work among the Naga militants fighting India; and how Kashmiri militants have long killed off all the Pandit and Muslim lawyers and other civil actors who had challenged the Indian state in their own ways. 

I disagree that Mukherjee does not assign any positive content or character to the CPI (Maoist) since he explicitly cites and quotes their opposition to any and all parliamentary politics and their open commitment to &quot;protracted war&quot; as an end in itself.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to commend Nirmalangshu Mukherjee for making explicit the counter-intuitive complicity between &#8216;radical&#8217; urban intellectuals and the CPI(Maoist). I don&#8217;t think the dogmatic and violent exclusion of alternative and undeniably real modes of resistance to the state&#8217;s violence should surprise anyone who observed how the LTTE wiped out any form of Tamil resistance to Sinhala chauvinism other than their own; how a similar exclusion has been at work among the Naga militants fighting India; and how Kashmiri militants have long killed off all the Pandit and Muslim lawyers and other civil actors who had challenged the Indian state in their own ways. </p>
<p>I disagree that Mukherjee does not assign any positive content or character to the CPI (Maoist) since he explicitly cites and quotes their opposition to any and all parliamentary politics and their open commitment to &#8220;protracted war&#8221; as an end in itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Nirmalangshu</title>
		<link>http://kafila.org/2009/10/21/open-letter-to-noam-chomsky-nirmalangshu-mukherjee/#comment-7620</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nirmalangshu]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 16:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For my views on CPI(M) and the &#039;official&#039; left in general, I can only cite two recent pieces:

Left and the Nuclear Deal
A Requiem for the Left?

Both published in Revolutionary Democracy. revolutionarydemocracy.org]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For my views on CPI(M) and the &#8216;official&#8217; left in general, I can only cite two recent pieces:</p>
<p>Left and the Nuclear Deal<br />
A Requiem for the Left?</p>
<p>Both published in Revolutionary Democracy. revolutionarydemocracy.org</p>
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